snapped bridle line

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webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
5 Sep 2008 9:03am
snapped one of my bridal lines last week, at the kiteshop they reckon it would take them a week to fix and get back to me. Bought some rope and twine and fixed it myself plus made 3 spares for $25 and it only took one day.

has anyone got any advice on keeping the bridal line in good condition, mine's got a pulley and it seems to be destroying the line way before its time
pearl
pearl
NSW
984 posts
NSW, 984 posts
5 Sep 2008 9:37am
Check your pulleys are working ok and make sure the line on your bridal has a high abrasion resistance
NSW, 4382 posts
5 Sep 2008 9:39am
The pulley is probably mounted incorrectly, there still kites being released and sold that do not have the pulleys mounted correctly so that the pulley is free to align itself with the line it runs on.

The pulley in the pic below in mounted incorrectly (and the metal rileys are crap for kites)
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36542&SearchTerms=Pulley

Lots of info here on how they should be mounted but no pic, I'm sure myself or someone else did post a pic of how they should be mounted but I cannot find it.
Easiest way is to buy some pigtails and use the spliced loops to make a sling for the pulley to hang off. (reduce bridle line length by the same amount tie a knot ot knots in it up near the connection point well away from the pulley)

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36436&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=pulley

Look at how the pulleys are mounted on all cab CB3/SB3 & IDS kites for an example.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve







echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
QLD, 1245 posts
5 Sep 2008 9:47am
webby7 said...

Bought some rope and twine and fixed it myself


Twine? Id be going nylon if I was you! Never be afraid of good old fashion ingenuity, if you ever decided to live on a boat you will be dependent on it.
webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
5 Sep 2008 10:49am
yeah that looks like how my pulley is set up too, i'll have a look at changing that cause the other side is about to go already.

yeah it wasn't actual twine it was a wax water proof line of some sort.
don't quite understand how the pulley should be mounted i'll keep reading

thanks for the help
Coose
Coose
VIC
229 posts
VIC, 229 posts
6 Sep 2008 11:18am
what kite are you flying? on the cabrinha SB2 i had this problem where sand would get stuck in the pulleys and this after a few sesh's would cause considerable wear on my bridal lines. try using floss to clean out the pulleys of all the sand (if any is in there) and this should stop you problem.

or if you want to get more use out of your bridal lines swap them around after a bit or wear shows on them.
NSW, 4382 posts
6 Sep 2008 12:03pm
webby7 said...

yeah that looks like how my pulley is set up too, i'll have a look at changing that cause the other side is about to go already.

yeah it wasn't actual twine it was a wax water proof line of some sort.
don't quite understand how the pulley should be mounted i'll keep reading

thanks for the help


I've got an 07 Best Waroo in for repair, I'll take some pics of before and after I fix the pulleys.

@Coose
The SB2 (CB2, SB1 and CB1) kites had the pulleys mounted wrong too, that is the main reason they chewed through bridles and pulleys so quick.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
6 Sep 2008 12:33pm
I found this pic on KF illustrating why misaligned pulleys eat bridles.



The problem is that the hole for the line to larkshead through is at 90 degrees to the pulley, I wonder if anyone makes a suitable kite block with the hole in the same axis as the pulley?

Of course there are some excellent SLE kite designs with NO pulleys.
jumpindave
jumpindave
WA
124 posts
WA, 124 posts
6 Sep 2008 10:38am
Why do you say the metal pulley is no good steve??? i changed all my crappy frozen plastic pulleys to the riley and havent had any problems since, one whole year and the pulley still spins and the line isn't even worn. My plastic ronstans were frozen within a week or two. Go figure.
NSW, 4382 posts
6 Sep 2008 2:46pm
jumpindave said...

Why do you say the metal pulley is no good steve??? i changed all my crappy frozen plastic pulleys to the riley and havent had any problems since, one whole year and the pulley still spins and the line isn't even worn. My plastic ronstans were frozen within a week or two. Go figure.


The only pulley I have had fail like the plastic one in the post above was a metal Riley.
The pin that holds the pulley in place is only captive on one side, it split open and caused the kite to loop badly.

The Cabrinha designed and manufactured pulleys are the best I have seen, the pin is captive on both sides.

If the pulley is mounted correctly to that it can rotate and align itself with the loaded line that runs through it, then pulley wear and brand is a minor issue anyway.

What kite did you change you pulleys on?

@ Tobes, thanks mate for finding those pics.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
jt737
jt737
QLD
418 posts
QLD, 418 posts
6 Sep 2008 6:28pm
Changed to metal Ronstan pulleys on my Rev with no problems, yet noticed the bridal lines were twisting and wearing due the plastic pulleys being jammed on a demo Rev a friend was trying out. On the Sunnie coast the pulleys jam up very quickly due to fine sand, even if the metal pulleys jam the bridal will still slide over with minimal wear.
Cost about $3 each at a good chandlery store i.e. Whitworths.
jumpindave
jumpindave
WA
124 posts
WA, 124 posts
6 Sep 2008 4:58pm
The above post is onto it. With the metal pulley it doesnt matter if it stops, it actually still slides without much abrasion. If it does clog however you just pull hard against the pulley and run it back and foward with you hand and it will pretty much always spin again. When the plastic ronstan jams its done forever.
I was running a waroo kite.
Dave.
kungfupete
kungfupete
VIC
149 posts
VIC, 149 posts
6 Sep 2008 7:17pm
Go to a sailing store and see what the guys their recommend. Maybe your can find a pulley which will have less friction on the rope
NSW, 4382 posts
7 Sep 2008 11:14am
jt737 said...

Changed to metal Ronstan pulleys on my Rev with no problems, yet noticed the bridal lines were twisting and wearing due the plastic pulleys being jammed on a demo Rev a friend was trying out. On the Sunnie coast the pulleys jam up very quickly due to fine sand, even if the metal pulleys jam the bridal will still slide over with minimal wear.
Cost about $3 each at a good chandlery store i.e. Whitworths.



Cut the neoprene sock off the kite, its up on the leading edge behind the pulley, just cut it off, all it does is hold sand and get jammed in the pulley, or stop the pulley from turning enough to align with the bridle line.

Look for pulleys that have the axle pin captive or peened over on both sides.
The new Cabrinha ones have that, and also have a side wall that prevents a bridle line getting jammed. Don't think we can order tham as spares just yet.

If a plastic pulley jams it can be easily freed up, if the metal ones jam they can be stuck for good, happens to kites not used frequently, the pulley wheel and the metal pulley axle corrode together.

Bridles will slide over a jammed plastic pulley as easily as a metal one, damage to the bridle line will be approx the same.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
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