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Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
29 May 2006 7:04pm
OK Ellery I'll bite. Investing is the way to go - especially in leveraged financial instruments like CFD's, options or just a plain vanilla margined stock portfolio.

With a $1000 notebook and a wireless broadband card - voila - instant ultimate business...no employees, no office, no overheads - just you and your skills and the marketplace. With the internet today you can trade any market in the world anytime in AUS$.

However...it does require a few ingredients
- skill
- risk management
- money management
- position sizing
- and most important...an ability to not "have to be right" (thats the tough one!)

Other than investing, IT contracting is not a bad gig - was better in the GST & Y2K days - but still a good gig compared with working for a living.

One more piece of financial advice...getting divorced after you have kids is not a great financial move
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
29 May 2006 9:21pm
i've already got the notebook and wireless broadband connection...

i think i spend too much time looking up seabreeze weather forecasts and current observations while i am at the beach! its..good though i seem to get to the beach at the right time...but if i am in transit or early...this online trading sounds interesting. But how much capital am i going to need to be able to start out? Are we talking 6 digits? I aint got that much to do calculated gambles!
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
30 May 2006 12:36pm
Theres no right answer. Comes down to how much you want to risk & what instruments you are trading. Futures and options can see you make a 100%+ return in 24 hours - but also a 100% loss is also possible (with futures you can lose substantially more than your original stake).

Personally I do it for the enjoyment & interest of trying to "beat the market". Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont..but most of all I enjoy the challenge of learning & you only get the experience by doing.

The first challenge is to start off very small & learn money management and risk management techniques ... when to enter a position is only a pitifully small part of the equation. Trading CFD's allows you to buy as little as 1 share when you start out - with $10 brokerage in and out.

Best recommendation I could give you would be to buy any trading books by Louise Bedford - you will find them in most bookshops - titles such as "Trading Secrets", "Secrets of Candlestick Charting" etc.. then all you need is charting software and a data feed subscription (see www.tradinggame.com.au for a taste).

If you make a bucketload from my advice - just be sure that you cut me in on the winnings!

junior freestyle
junior freestyle
QLD
546 posts
QLD, 546 posts
30 May 2006 2:04pm
My life is really good skool is put forwar 1 hour so we start at 8 and leave at lunch(1:00) then i WINDSURF for a while depending on wind then start work at 6:30. Night work is the way to go.
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
30 May 2006 8:23pm
yeah i got some friends that are doing full time uni and they do night packing at the local supermarket they start at 8pm and finish at 12pm. They get some penalty rates and they get by alright. I wonder if they could supplement my income and kitesurfing???

what night work are ya doing?

qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
30 May 2006 8:24pm
Does anyone out there do Personal Gym/Training? Perhaps that would allow for flexibility to do kitesurfing and compliment training?

greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
30 May 2006 9:09pm
"sultry"

'come on girls, touch those toes'

to a 'sylvester' tune.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4114 posts
QLD, 4114 posts
31 May 2006 5:50am
Lots of Fly In Fly Out jobs based in Perth or Townsville, you get either the Doctor in summer or the tradewinds in the dry season. That's why I started kiteboarding in fact, it fit in so well with the job. That, and I felt like a meat pie one day, and a shop selling which was next to a shop selling kiteboarding equipment.

Not so many FIFO out of Brisbane.
Prepare
Prepare
WA
132 posts
WA, 132 posts
31 May 2006 6:06am
why get a job

uni is the best lifestyle


2x13 weeks of study a year. finish by at 1pm. have fridays off. 4 weeks in june/july to work full time and earn some $$$. Finish in November. travel for 5 weeks. come back still have 2 months of holidays.

Repeat for another 2 years at least. then maybe honours...masters...
Kitegrom
Kitegrom
VIC
98 posts
VIC, 98 posts
31 May 2006 8:50am
yeah that sounds about right. Good times at uni! Just be prepared to become lonely when its study time...
Uminaboy
Uminaboy
NSW
97 posts
NSW, 97 posts
31 May 2006 9:33am
PIMP
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
31 May 2006 9:21am
quote:
Originally posted by Prepare

why get a job

uni is the best lifestyle
...



Dare anyone say "student debt"...
Prepare
Prepare
WA
132 posts
WA, 132 posts
31 May 2006 11:29am
quote:
Originally posted by azza
Dare anyone say "student debt"...



HECS? just make sure you earn under $35,000 p.a for the rest of your life and you wont have to pay back a thing
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
31 May 2006 3:52pm
Prepare, I certainly admit UNI life is great for working, kiting, and just everything really, but after you consider after 4 years of being at uni and working the other times, the money lost would at least be $20 000 per year. Over four years this is $80 000, and unless you need or want the major or honours to be employed in the field of your choice, it’s a lot of money going down the drain. It is a means to an end however

Very true. But if you think about it, or even work it out. If you earn say $30 000 each year for 5 years that’s $150 000 not considering tax etc. Whereas, if you earn an average of $45 000 per year for 5 years not considering tax, it’s $225 000.

Taking this into account, you are missing out on at least $75 000 over a 5 year period to just avoid paying one’s HECS (which can average from $15 000 up to $25 000 or more).

Financially, this could enable you to have an ‘extra’ $75 000 to put as a deposit towards a house, buy a car, or whatever you wish to do with it.

Just my 2 cents worth

Goodwinds

Elizabeth B8 – Wello Kiter

Note :- Let alone considering ‘the rest of your life earning under $35 000’. Over a 25 year period when you could have been earning $1.125 million at $45 000not considering tax, whereas at the $30 000 that is only $750 000. That’s $375 000 down the gurgler to avoid a $15 000 to $25 000 HECS fee. lol. A considerable amount when you think of it that way!
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
31 May 2006 5:15pm
hmmmm

uni? its hard option for people that have mortgages or mouths to feed! fortunately for me i am not one of those people but i still find it a difficult option.

I dont know about you guys but since I started kiting I've found most of spending has dropped. Unlike people who work 9-5 mon to fri i am too buggered to bothered going out night to spend my money on exy grog on the town. After buying my kite gear and kiting... social/play expenses have dropped significantly.


Prepare
Prepare
WA
132 posts
WA, 132 posts
31 May 2006 3:37pm
Elizabeth i wasnt seriously considering running from my hecs debt for the rest of my life

saying that I dont see the need to rush into the responsibilities that come with working full time, having a mortgage or mouths to feed.

Once I have all those things I wont be able to travel like I can currently or have the lifestyle I do. not saying I dont want a nice house, car and a family but im only 21 and dont see the need to jump into "real life" asap.

Money isnt everything and all I worry about these days is my weekly shop, rent and maybe 1 or 2 nights out a week. plus surf/kiting gear.

It wont bother me if someone comes up to me in 4 years time and says well ive made $225k over the last 4 years because ill happily tell them what ive done and im sure it will involve surfing or kiting somewhere exotic.

Plently of time to work later in life. I get your point though
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
31 May 2006 7:13pm
Prepare.... I totally know what you mean I think the fortunate thing about kiting and working full time (starting and finishing early) means you just go work...and then kite...and you're forever saving money that can just go into investments. I've concluded if you can easily do this then you are laughing! espeacially if you hang and socialise with people doing the same thing. Nothing else matters! Someone who earns the big $$$ is often spending all their money on more expensive things anyway.

I've done a bit of reading into things like "Maslows theory' and Hierarchy of needs.

I Think the most expensive cost to a kitesurfer is 'time'

BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
8 Jun 2006 1:20pm
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qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
2 Jul 2006 11:18pm
There hiring for some more staff where I work in Brisbane. It's a Federal Government job. Excellent working conditions..friendly staff bla bla. It's the best kitesurfers job i know of around Brissy. Work only when you want to work! When the wind starts blowing outside you just tell your supervisor the winds up and gotta go!

requirements

Typing speed 50+ words per minute with at least 98% Accuracy.

Willing to complete a thorough Federal Police check and have no criminal history.

Fine Attention to detail and competant with computer and microsoft office.

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