untangling lines

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kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
15 Oct 2005 6:29pm
please help, i have the tangle to beat all others. if you could post some suggestions to make it easy er as Ive already spent 90 Min's trying, (its coming slowly, very slowly)would be appreciate.
coreyb
coreyb
WA
463 posts
WA, 463 posts
15 Oct 2005 6:46pm
It happens to the best of us that lovely bowl of noodles.

The best way I have found to make short work of it is to rip the top of a carton of beer, make four sqaures of cardboard and start wrapping one line at a time around each piece of cardboard. Go as far as you can with one line and when it gets too hard start on another one. That way its easy to pull a whole lot of line through all the loops your going to have in there and not start any new tangles along the way. The lid of a carton is good because its thick and wont bend out of shape as you put all your line onto it.

You should have the worst of tangles out in a hour like that.
richierich
richierich
NSW
226 posts
NSW, 226 posts
15 Oct 2005 9:15pm
keep your lines attached to the kite... taking them off is admitting defeat.
take your bar downwind of the heavily sanded kite. give it a tug and try unpicking the worst bit but dont ever take off the lines until it is no use trying anymore. hope this helps
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
15 Oct 2005 7:21pm
thanks for the response, i suppose Ive got some thing to do whilst baby sitting tonight.
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
15 Oct 2005 9:31pm
Whoa! Just noticed ur 15! lol - guys guys guys - cut out the beer suggestion there Just find 30m's of room in ur house, tie 2 of ur line ends to something and make it taught, and then untangle the other 2 away - much easier with tension in the lines...

Good luck mate
Elizabeth-Wello Kiter
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
15 Oct 2005 9:40pm
or use cigar boxes.
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
15 Oct 2005 9:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by elizabethb

Whoa! Just noticed ur 15! lol - guys guys guys - cut out the beer suggestion there



oops! better make that a carton of bacardi breezers then
paulio
paulio
QLD
890 posts
QLD, 890 posts
15 Oct 2005 10:09pm
Pretend ur playin pirates! Cut ur lines, let the little brats tie each other up, watch ur favorite kite dvd,go to bed. Get the kids parents to buy you a new set tomorrow (tell em the little bastards cut ur lines an they owe you big time).

[}:)][}:)]
xshore
xshore
NSW
267 posts
NSW, 267 posts
15 Oct 2005 10:11pm
Ah Zen and the art of kitelines......Patience precedes all for this one.
BEst advice I have is to consider the problem not as a tangle but just confused kite lines with multiple loops. Find the main loops, sort those and all ales will follow. As Elizabethb advice here suggests, you could keep the lines fixed to another object at the pigtail end (centre lines) and work your turning lines first and go from there the main thing to not do is start pulling lines through other lines unless completely and absolutely necessary as sometimes you will be just tying nots and not removing them!

Happy times and remember the fun you had before the tangle will be there again after the tangle is sorted.

Cheers

Glen
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
16 Oct 2005 12:06am
pulling single lines "out" of the tangle is usually worse than just working out the loops
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
16 Oct 2005 8:31am
it took 3.5 hours all because i wasn't in the mood to get dragged across the beach and a dog swam through the lines (i was holding the kite). as for the alcohol suggestion i don't get paid if i take that advice, i would have liked to but.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
16 Oct 2005 11:01am
mother of all tangles...
i bet i have seen worse hehehe

one person was drifting towards a long rockwall and someone tried to save him. both kites crashed and anyway they managed to get on to he rock wall without damaging thier kites. to walk up the wall to get back to the beach they decided to jumble al theirlines together so they wouldnt get caught on the rocks.

the result was a massive ball of lines which could not be pulled out to more than 1m long and with the bars in betweeen all the lines hehehe
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
16 Oct 2005 10:42am
mine was half as bad.... it was only one set of lines.
it felt good to finally undo it, still have now idea how it got so bad, yet leaning towards the dog that decided to jump in to see me
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
16 Oct 2005 10:55am
note to self: never buy lines in one Color
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
16 Oct 2005 1:58pm
don't get Qpower lines or wateva that are orange and yellow

those lines make really loud humming noises, i can hear them from like 200m away.

did u let go onto sideline saftey, cuz that is perhaps the no.1 way of creating a massive tangle, that and walking up the beach with kite under arm and lines dragging behind.
dun-king
dun-king
QLD
66 posts
QLD, 66 posts
16 Oct 2005 4:38pm
i suggest a bbq lighter and some fuel
that'll show em not to get knotted
a sacrifice to the wind gods
go buy some new ones and feel better within
then crack a beer
BOOMAN
BOOMAN
VIC
333 posts
VIC, 333 posts
29 Nov 2005 12:52am
1st day i got my kite i unwound the lines all in one spot i dont know what happened 9ish hours later i was on the footpash in the dark full of beer finishing up, im on one atm bout 1hours worth so cant complain
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
28 Nov 2005 11:11pm
its a learning thing, your lines will take any opportunity u give to get close[}:)]
barongreenback
barongreenback
WA
52 posts
WA, 52 posts
28 Nov 2005 11:44pm
Had a huge tangle myself as well as trawling half of the seaweed out of the Indian Ocean...

Coreyb's idea with the cardboard worked for me (purely for the fact you can pass the lines through the rest of the tangled mess) ... however I stongly recommend consuming most of that carton of beer from which the cardboard originated along with some soothing music... nothing to heavy cos you're gonna get p*%ssed off!

Best of luck
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
29 Nov 2005 11:39am
Enjoy it mate, I found the rush of getting a big tangle out was bigger than the rush of getting going on the board.

One line at a time will get you there. Pick a line and get it all the way out of the tangle, then move onto the next one.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
29 Nov 2005 5:38pm
There is a god.

the knot god, and he will visit you all some more than once.

Forget the beer carton thing, just use the covers off your old porn videos.

A piecr of trivia: there was a person who, for his thesis, theorised on the mathimatical formula of knots. I am sure there was a statistical component, just as well as a quantum aspect.

therefore once armed with the equation you should be able to calculate how long it will take you to untangle a given mass of lines.

That then leaves the question of how long is a piece of string.

best winds
Tony L
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
29 Nov 2005 9:12pm
boom tish! lol
Andrew73
Andrew73
WA
31 posts
WA, 31 posts
29 Nov 2005 6:33pm
One of the best tips I got when I was learning (ref tangle lines)was to keep them attached to the kite and work them out that way. Because once you take them off they take tend to get even worse. As was explained to me the lines were attached correctly to the kite at one time (or should have been), so its only a matter of undoing the loops and twist. Keeping tension in the lines also makes it so much easier. I have tried both methods and now always leave the lines attached, and I can usually have the worst of tangles out in under 10 mins.
BOOMAN
BOOMAN
VIC
333 posts
VIC, 333 posts
29 Nov 2005 10:06pm
quote:

A piecr of trivia: there was a person who, for his thesis, theorised on the mathimatical formula of knots. I am sure there was a statistical component, just as well as a quantum aspect.

therefore once armed with the equation you should be able to calculate how long it will take you to untangle a given mass of lines.

That then leaves the question of how long is a piece of string.
quote:




are there absolutes??????????????????????? thats the question i ponder
its not how to untangle the knot but thry to understand if there really is a knot... and if there is it a knot is it just multiple pieces of string intwined or something more symbolic....
foir i found there is no knot it is just remnance of various obsticals in my childhood......... that have re-surfaced as i remenece....



eeep icant breath i think the room is getting smaller
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
29 Nov 2005 8:14pm
why did you have to remind me about this nightmare, a perfect wind wasted
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