wave-riding toeside / natural stance ??

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marno
marno
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8 Oct 2008 6:02pm
I'm not into waves yet, but plan on getting into it this season.

Just wondering from any of the guys that ride surfboards over here in WA - do any of you normally natural stance surfing guys come in to catch waves riding toe-side and then just go left or right in a natural foot stance, or do some come in switchfoot and ride waves goofy ?? Or do you mix it up ???

Not sure if I explained that well, apologies if not. I was just watching down at Brighton on sunday and it appeared that many blokes were riding natural foot on the way out and then goofy when coming back in catching waves, which I would have thought would be pretty hard to get the knack of. Cheers.

DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
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8 Oct 2008 6:12pm
Ride which ever way feels better for you, there are no rules on how to ride waves.. Which ever stance feels better and gets you more waves is the better one for you
Hunter S
Hunter S
WA
516 posts
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8 Oct 2008 6:21pm
I think most guys go out heelside cause it's easier getting over the waves that way.

I find it's pretty difficult getting over white water toeside
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
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8 Oct 2008 10:15pm
marno said...

I'm not into waves yet, but plan on getting into it this season.

Just wondering from any of the guys that ride surfboards over here in WA - do any of you normally natural stance surfing guys come in to catch waves riding toe-side and then just go left or right in a natural foot stance, or do some come in switchfoot and ride waves goofy ?? Or do you mix it up ???

Not sure if I explained that well, apologies if not. I was just watching down at Brighton on sunday and it appeared that many blokes were riding natural foot on the way out and then goofy when coming back in catching waves, which I would have thought would be pretty hard to get the knack of. Cheers.


As a long time surfer I (natural stance) I never switch-it just seems 'natural' to me to ride natural all the time-and going out through the surf toeside just takes practice....

IanR
IanR
NSW
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8 Oct 2008 10:59pm
Being from the east coast and riding in a natural stance (not goofy) i prefer to ride southerly winds in the waves because I am on my natural toe-side and I'm front-side to the wave. On a north east I'm backside to the wave and on my heels. I'm also from a body boarding background, like riding waves front-side and like big twin tips in the surf. I've been working on switch toe-side for about a year and still feel very kooky.
Oh I wish sometimes I was Goofy footed
stoked2surf
stoked2surf
WA
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8 Oct 2008 9:46pm
agree with loco4olas. im a surfer aswell and i find i can get into more waves when i dont have to worry about switching stance. also feels alot better being able to ride the same as i do without a kite. sometimes it is harder getting through the break going toeside but as with everything practise enough and it becomes second nature.
you should just go out there and try out each method then decide which is most comfortable
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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8 Oct 2008 9:54pm
When wavekiting down-the-line >>>>>>>>
It's way better to ride waves frontside .........
Ride the wave frontside and face it like a man.
Riding waves backside shows your weakness,
and telegraphs a lack of ability, a deficiency in all-round sailing skills.
It also gives you a pain in the neck....
from looking over your shoulder all the time at the pitching lip.
Only riding on your preferred stance is one-dimensional .....
Balance your kiting and negate your bias.
If you need to switch in order to ride frontside....
then so be it.
Riding on your non-preferred stance comfortably is just a mental obstacle you need to overcome.
You need to retrain your brain.
Kitehard
Kitehard
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9 Oct 2008 12:43am
Hey Marno,

My advice is that you should learn to ride waves on your comfortable stance until you learn to read the wave and figure out the kite and board connection whilst you have your best balance on the wave.

Once you can ride and understand the waves, then determine what makes you happy and feels good.

I ride mostly backhand because I love hitting the lip on my toeside and facing the pit from the top of the wave. I have total confidence in a powerful bottom turn on my heelside which sets me up for another hack.

Having said that, I also ride goofy at times and face the wave, but more for the challenge than anything else as I am so confident and happy on my back hand. I heelside on the way out to point as high as possible to start a new run back upwind.

At the end of the day, you should ride to make yourself happy, not others, so do your own thing.

Good winds,

Beer Bong
Beer Bong
WA
350 posts
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9 Oct 2008 10:00am
Agree with Slave for the most part. I will add that riding natural and toeside gives your waist a good anticlockwise twisting, but I like to give my body an equal twisting the other way too, otherwise I'll start walking like a crab....

Everything centred and even, left right up down around.

Hey Slave show us a pic of your board, from memory it's quite the mongrel.

Good topic . I'm feeling the progression.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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9 Oct 2008 10:03am
marno said...

I was just watching down at Brighton on sunday and it appeared that many blokes were riding natural foot on the way out and then goofy when coming back in catching waves, which I would have thought would be pretty hard to get the knack of.



Kelly Slater, 9x World Surfing Champ and well known natural-footer;
was competing this year in a contest in Indo.....
I think the break was Padang Padang.
Anyhow, he took the drop on a big left and cranked a backside bottom-turn.....
only to switch feet at the base of the sucking pit and surf the barrel frontside for the remainder of the ride.
He scored a perfect 10.

laurie
laurie
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9 Oct 2008 2:03pm
Having windsurfed for many years before taking up kiting, it was hard to detect my "favourite" side for kiting. In windsurfing, you have no choice - you have to be able to nail toeside carves in both directions, and have no choice but to face the wave.

Now with Kitesurfing .. choice of natural/goofy, hooked/unhooked .. luxury!

*** New "How To Ride Back Hand" article by Ben Wilsone now online ***

Check it at:

www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Ben-Wilson-Wave-Riding-Tips-Backhand_1910589.aspx
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
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9 Oct 2008 2:20pm
waveslave said...


It's way better to ride waves frontside .........
Ride the wave frontside and face it like a man.
Riding waves backside shows your weakness,
and telegraphs a lack of ability, a deficiency in all-round sailing skills.


That's crap.
Yah reckon' that about Ben W?
And I'm a surfer NOT a sailor-farg the 'sailing skills.
Surfers do NOT switch.
You're example of Slater proves the point-the exception proving the rule-and if you've seen him surf goofy-he sucks-the wave at Padang when he switched was a straight line barrel-no turning involved other than the initial bottom turn and pulling off at the end of the wave.
Kitesurfing on my backhand on some waves and forehand on others is GREAT-mixes it up and is far more interesting than just being frontside all the time-blah!
Forget about the bullsh!t frontside v backside debate-just do what works for you-as a long time surfer (part of it as a pro), it's what works for me....

timmm
timmm
WA
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9 Oct 2008 11:53am
im with crazy 4 waves(loco4olas).

slave, when surfing (no kite) do you only go right cause you can only surf on your forehand. i.e
is taking a left "showing your weakness"????
Beer Bong
Beer Bong
WA
350 posts
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9 Oct 2008 12:02pm
I still say - mix it up. Keeps it all challenging.

I'm looking forward to a "vertical railslide off the lip to fakie" and then continue on with a big cheesey grin.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
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9 Oct 2008 3:10pm
Beer Bong said...

I still say - mix it up. Keeps it all challenging.

I'm looking forward to a "vertical railslide off the lip to fakie" and then continue on with a big cheesey grin.


Hmmm-like to see that on a surfboard unstrapped unhooked.....first one to do it gets a Chiko Roll.
IanR
IanR
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9 Oct 2008 6:47pm
loco4olas
Take your blinkers off mate
There are more than one way to ride a wave
If you what to follow the crowded and ride unhooked unstrapped that's cool but don't come down on people who see possibilities you can't
Why can't we go our own direction rather than trying to imitate other sports?
The main thing is having fun, just enjoy what your doing
loco4olas
loco4olas
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9 Oct 2008 8:47pm
IanR said...

loco4olas
Take your blinkers off mate
There are more than one way to ride a wave
If you what to follow the crowded and ride unhooked unstrapped that's cool but don't come down on people who see possibilities you can't
Why can't we go our own direction rather than trying to imitate other sports?
The main thing is having fun, just enjoy what your doing


You have me all wrong-I don't give a fugg how you ride-I was replying to Waveslaves blinkers on attitude.
Mate, there's hardly a crowd riding unhooked unstrapped-that's a bloody laughable comment right there-I would think the 'crowd' is running around hooked in on spin tips?
And it's kitesurfing-so I guess there's a bit of value laden imitation inbuilt in the sport?????
Surfer62
Surfer62
1357 posts
1357 posts
9 Oct 2008 5:58pm
From a surfing perspective, kiting has improved my backhand surfing (natural), funny that !

Wavewanka's quote "It's way better to ride waves frontside .........Ride the wave frontside and face it like a man. Riding waves backside shows your weakness,and telegraphs a lack of ability, a deficiency in all-round sailing skills" shows he obviously has no idea about the power and style of a backhand reo!!
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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9 Oct 2008 6:56pm
I agree with slave in part.
but i ride backside
I find i can drive hard n fast on my backhand.
After years and years of surfing right foot forward just doesn't feel right.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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9 Oct 2008 9:15pm
Well gosh,
I guess riding tweak must have its moments at times.......????
but there's nothing like cranking a hardarse, lowdown, frontside bottom-turn.....
and just smashing the cake.
Arrrrrh.
Hunter S
Hunter S
WA
516 posts
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9 Oct 2008 10:09pm
And nothing like cranking a hardarse, lowdown, backside bottom-turn.....
and just smashing the cake.
Arrrrrh.

Go the Occ
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
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10 Oct 2008 8:48am
waveslave said...

Well gosh,
I guess riding tweak must have its moments at times.......????
but there's nothing like cranking a hardarse, lowdown, frontside bottom-turn.....
and just smashing the cake.
Arrrrrh.


Not taking the sh$t-but do you surf? Because, your comments make it sound like you don't. The power you get out of a backhand bottom turn and the really crank off the top from heel to toe and back around into the foam is bloody great-think about it.

Also if you're riding frontside all the time-you're doing the same ol' turns, all the time-if you ride frontside and backside you're mixing it up heaps more-makes for an enlarged experience IMHO.
taxi
taxi
QLD
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10 Oct 2008 8:53am
I actuality prefer surfing back hand ,with or without a kite.
Beer Bong
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WA
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10 Oct 2008 7:58am
Benny's article quotes: BOARDS - Of coarse boards are another huge factor, you need a board that has refined rails, good concaves and is suited to your style, fins are essential, twin tips don't work backside, you need direction and rails, you're local conditions will determine what size board you need, generally the same as what you would surf, if you don't surf then find out what sort of surfboard would work best for you if you did surf.

Can you see the phrase in there that I disagree with?
IanR
IanR
NSW
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10 Oct 2008 11:28am
loco4olas said...

Beer Bong said...

I still say - mix it up. Keeps it all challenging.

I'm looking forward to a "vertical railslide off the lip to fakie" and then continue on with a big cheesey grin.




Hmmm-like to see that on a surfboard unstrapped unhooked.....first one to do it gets a Chiko Roll.



Above is what I was replying to

loco4olas said...
And I'm a surfer NOT a sailor-farg the 'sailing skills.
Surfers do NOT switch.

loco4olas said...

Forget about the bullsh!t frontside v backside debate-just do what works for you-as a long time surfer (part of it as a pro), it's what works for me....



loco4olas said...

As a long time surfer I (natural stance) I never switch-it just seems 'natural' to me to ride natural all the time-and going out through the surf toeside just takes practice....


I'm Pretty sure I understand what you are saying

loco4olas said...
The power you get out of a backhand bottom turn and the really crank off the top from heel to toe and back around into the foam is bloody great-think about it.


You can do a round house cut back with a kite unhooked unstrapped
I'd Love to see that
mergaTroy
mergaTroy
NSW
150 posts
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10 Oct 2008 12:21pm

DaveSpruce said...

Ride which ever way feels better for you, there are no rules on how to ride waves.. Which ever stance feels better and gets you more waves is the better one for you


I agree with DaveSpruse...I normally ride natural but when tacking upwind mix it up in different conditions for comfort and general laziness.

My 2 cents is It's probably a little harder to go back up wind riding toe-side.

P E A C E

I will back loco4olas 100% as my personal way of riding from a surfing background, unhooked and unstrapped with a natural stance allows you to surf the wave like a surfer.....
I am not really into other kinds of sports but as a rule tennis, cricket javelin and long jumpers for example don't seem to switch their stance up run to run!!
It seems the Euros like to ride one way on the waves. Most of the ones I know don't understand paddle surfing and find backhand difficult so don't do it.
taxi
taxi
QLD
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10 Oct 2008 11:37am
Sorry this is off the topic butt mergaTroy how was Sumbwa
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
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10 Oct 2008 12:45pm
IanR said...



Mate, and I use the term loosely, you're taking this way too personally and seriously-lighten up.

And yeah-you luff the kite and let the strings slack and you can come a long way back around at the lip running towards you-how you go doing that on your twin tip?

loco4olas
loco4olas
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10 Oct 2008 12:47pm
taxi said...

Sorry this is off the topic butt mergaTroy how was Sumbwa


Where? Oh yeah, Sumbawa, mate that place sucks-I hear Timor is waaaaay better.....[}:)]
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
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10 Oct 2008 1:02pm
Beer Bong said...

Benny's article quotes: BOARDS - Of coarse boards are another huge factor, you need a board that has refined rails, good concaves and is suited to your style, fins are essential, twin tips don't work backside, you need direction and rails, you're local conditions will determine what size board you need, generally the same as what you would surf, if you don't surf then find out what sort of surfboard would work best for you if you did surf.

Can you see the phrase in there that I disagree with?



Yeah, he said "you're local"-which should red 'your local'.

mergaTroy
mergaTroy
NSW
150 posts
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10 Oct 2008 1:04pm


Yeah not all it's cut out to be Taxi, Pretty lame in fact...Heard Robby Nash was there for three weeks and got absolutely nothin..............wind or waves...
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