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loose fin
loose fin
QLD
219 posts
QLD, 219 posts
2 Mar 2005 6:48pm
Well.......

go away for a couple of weeks, things like normal. seabreeze average 20 knots 5 days a week and return to this carp

i mean

9 days without a decent afternoon southerly

bit early in the season for the doctor to just disappear

must be global warming, well everything else is blamed on it...

PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
927 posts
QLD, 927 posts
2 Mar 2005 8:48pm
I feel your pain.
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
2 Mar 2005 7:42pm
welcome to the shoulder ;)
mattressbuster
mattressbuster
WA
177 posts
WA, 177 posts
3 Mar 2005 8:19am
The Seabreeze is a thermal effect driven by the energy of the sun.

Notice how the sun rises far later and sets earlier than it does around mid december ?

That means that we are getting around 1 hr 45 mins LESS sun energy per day to drive the thermal effect that is our seabreeze. Hence less punch to the wind.

Throw in some weird lows clipping us once a week and there you have your answer. I dont think its global warming - Seabreezes always start to mellow around now -

ON A BRIGHTER NOTE-that doesnt mean there arent any more classic days left though !

The early and late season seabreezes also tend to be more southerly (i dont know why) which means great things for the super cross / cross offshore late wave session. EPIC conditions to be scored at this time of year for the wave slaves out there.
Tony
Tony
WA
67 posts
WA, 67 posts
3 Mar 2005 9:04am
Great response and very informative, tx mattressbuster. I do however have this fear of not being able to kite around WA in winter. Do you have some advice for winter and also an answer to why the wind is better up north in winter, eg Shark bay and the likes of. Is there a place up north where you are almost assured of a good breeze to kite in?
Tx mate
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
3 Mar 2005 9:35am
tony,

what do you mean not able to kite in winter, you struggle in summer mate.......
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
3 Mar 2005 9:51am
ITS HOTTER UP THERE, ISNT THAT ENUF OF AN ANSWER...
PaulG
PaulG
WA
92 posts
WA, 92 posts
3 Mar 2005 1:17pm
As said the sea breeze is caused by thermal effects. basically as warm air rises over the land, cooler air is sucked in off the water. We get easterlies in summer because the center of the high pressure cells are below Australia (High pressure cells rotate anti clockwise) hence the easterly.

The high pressure cells are moving north and aren't dominating as they do in summer so we are being effected now by weather below them and above them. As the high moves across Australia a trough forms down through the middle of it along the coast which sucks down all the moist air from the north. Of course the suns going north as well so thermal effects are reduced.

soon the high pressure cells will be far enough north to allow cold fronts to sweep up from underneath. winter!!! Time to drive north back up to the top of the high pressure cells.

Thats why Geraldton is so windy this time of year. We'll save gradients for another day.

Tony
Tony
WA
67 posts
WA, 67 posts
3 Mar 2005 1:40pm
Tx Paul, will get you to draw some pictures on the sand the next time I see you.
Carefull POOR RELATIVE, I still have the photos[}:)][}:)]
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
3 Mar 2005 1:45pm
One of my 1st lessons was with two learner instuctors who both lived in gero and had kited/windsurfed for years. Both of them were adimant that Gero now experiances the climat that 10 years ago belonged approx 300-400 kms north of there!
Hey who needs Kyoto when you can ride to hell in a nice coal powered limo eh Johnny boy ??
Start cycling to work and holding on to as many farts as you can
mattressbuster
mattressbuster
WA
177 posts
WA, 177 posts
3 Mar 2005 1:51pm
I find Highs and Lows very diifcult to intuitively grasp - and i understand the weather. The above post , while technically correct, will mean very little to 90% of readers.

It helps to think of weather as something that generally attacks us from the west (due to the earth's rotation).

Now start thinking vectors or ANGLES - Anything wsw - sw - s - sse - se - ese is usually good as it can switch into the Seabreeze angle (SW) relatively easily. As long as we have clear skies , 22 - 35 degrees then you can ALMOST guarantee that this will give us a good Seabreeze.

A NE while being hot (you'd THINk the Seabreeze would be stronger)actually opposes The SW and "cancels it out" to a large degree

These are static rules. Here are some notable and common exceptions

You can have a NE in the morning and a strong seabreeze in the arvo due to the trough moving inland (the True prevailing wind direction has switched from NE - NW to wsw - SE ) causing a new ridge (established SE flow).

We can also get 15 - 35 knt s-sw in winter with 15 degrees outside but this is usually not a seabreeze but rather a prevailing wind caused by the tail end of a front , a new SE being established. These are some of the most Golden days in Perth as they often occur with a whopping 2- 5 m swell caused by the previous low / front (storm).

Shark bay and surrounding areas (this climate actually starts around lancelin which is pretty close to us and extends to Exmouth) often gets the benefit of increased thermal activity but ALSO the Easterly gets a nice boost in the morning as the thermal effect is more pronounced due to the local desert like conditions (Cold nights on land , relatively warm ocean air - the air rushes out to sea real fast to balance up the energy)


If this is too hard to grasp (i can barely understand it myself) grab a copy of the Elevation DVD - it has a pretty good weather lecture on it (and some good wave smashing too).
laurie
laurie
NSW
3904 posts
NSW, 3904 posts
3 Mar 2005 7:16pm
Maybe checkout www.seabreeze.com.au/info/wind.asp as well .. it's even got pictures!

..Lozzzzzza
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
4 Mar 2005 8:25am
Arms are sore.....back is aching.....man this season of wind just won't quit.
What?. no wind down there?....

(sigh) I wish it would just stop. So I can do some grocery shopping, I'm getting malnutritioned.
lurch
lurch
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
5 Mar 2005 3:25pm
I hear ya Hirschausen the last 10 days in the Bay (the Sharky one!) 15-25 ssw everyday. I wish it would pull up for a couple of days i need a break. Bummer about Perth 'eh fellas.
cardigirl
cardigirl
WA
10 posts
WA, 10 posts
7 Mar 2005 10:33am
Great to see the seabreeze return on Sunday (even if only mild !!) Spent 3 hours on the water @ Pinnaroo yesterday. At least 1 1/2 hours of that being the only one on the water with my big 17mt kite - except for all of the boaties of course ). Hopefully we're not finished for the season yet !!!
Mini Mal
Mini Mal
WA
298 posts
WA, 298 posts
7 Mar 2005 11:25am
I know how you feel hirschausen but it hurts so good do'nt!!!!
Mini Mal
Mini Mal
WA
298 posts
WA, 298 posts
7 Mar 2005 11:29am
it!!!
g-dog
g-dog
WA
145 posts
WA, 145 posts
8 Mar 2005 6:36am
quote:
Originally posted by cardigirl

Great to see the seabreeze return on Sunday (even if only mild !!)

I went up to Lancelin with a couple of mates for the long weekend LOOKING for wind but we only saw 2 other kites in 3 days - both 16sqm, and both had trouble keeping them up. Geeza still managed to get a 12sqm up for a bit, but there was not enough power in it to really do anything. The sand boarding on the other hand was loads of fun.
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
8 Mar 2005 7:51am
Went to the Abrohlos Islands for the long weekend. No wind there....absolutely glass smooth for the whole time. A once in a lifetime thing. Thank you God for giving me the break I so dearly needed.

Has anyone been out there when it's like that?. You can have the Great Barrier Reef and the Ningaloo....Abrohlos is the goods.
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
8 Mar 2005 2:44pm
I know exactly what you mean Gavin. I went there a few years ago by helicopter. It was incredible. From the air you couldn't tell which parts of the reef were above the water and which ones were below. We spent 3 days there on one of the islands. The sea was like glass. Incredible sea life from clouds of whitebait and various coral life to rays, and Very Large sharks. While fishing we could look down 30-40 feet along the side of the coral chimneys and see the gropers swimming past our hooks, nose the bait and swim on. Couldn't jag anything unfortunately. Everything seemed to be very well fed. I think the Abrohlos Islands are one of the most beautiful places on earth that I've ever seen.
Graeme

I wouldn't kitesurf there though, because of the *big* sharks I saw.
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
11 Mar 2005 8:22pm
GLS,
Good to hear ya. It is pretty......indescribeable. I was pretty much humbled by my own personal fear factor out there on the first day.

However after paddling out to Wreck point off of Pelsart Isl. Looking down and seeing the reef, thinking about what that is going to do to my body IF...I mean, when I do a head first over the falls, realizing really, where I was and feeling a bit exposed, I realized I have some fears to deal with.

Time to spend more time in the water...
laurie
laurie
NSW
3904 posts
NSW, 3904 posts
13 Mar 2005 12:46pm
shark fears - for sure .. last time out, about to get going, pushed the board with my feet and it *hit* something. This was in clear ocean. Man o man - skull cam kicks in with images of sharks etc .. was up riding in microseconds!!

Not always good to have a healthy imagination!!
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
13 Mar 2005 5:56pm
Where abouts was that Laurie?
Graeme
laurie
laurie
NSW
3904 posts
NSW, 3904 posts
14 Mar 2005 2:30pm
>> Where abouts was that Laurie?

Scarbourgh .. at sunset .. which apparently is "Feeding Time" .. does anyone know if this is true, or do sharks simply eat when hungry?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
15 Mar 2005 8:40am
I wonder about crew who make tactless small-talk about sharks while at the beach or for that matter on a kitesurfing forum.

What is it, paranoia?
Sharks live in the ocean, we play in their enviroment. Simple. Life's a risk.

More people croak every year in Oz from the effects of bee-stings than the above.
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