who kited from rotto to freo

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fly guy
fly guy
NSW
151 posts
NSW, 151 posts
18 Dec 2005 10:53pm
who was the sicko who kited from rotto, well looked like you did. that was a good effort with the sharks seen in the area lately you got steel balls!!![}:)]
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
18 Dec 2005 8:48pm
I hope he had proper authorisation and a support boat, otherwise its very ****ing stupid.
fly guy
fly guy
NSW
151 posts
NSW, 151 posts
18 Dec 2005 11:55pm
yeah he had a boat following him, legend!
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
18 Dec 2005 9:42pm
I doubt he alerted the port authority
Matthew
Matthew
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
18 Dec 2005 9:47pm

Not that I would consider going from rotto to freo but why do you need port authority permission?

carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
18 Dec 2005 9:58pm
"It is illegal to kite surf to Rottnest Island under normal circumstances – do not abuse the limited privilege and opportunity that we have been given. The authorities have subsequently given us permission for any competitor now to do training/trial runs across to Rotto under the following conditions"

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=963&SearchTerms=rotto
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:38am
what if you're towing a lure for fishing purposes?
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
18 Dec 2005 10:44pm
i think you are:

a) crossing a shipping lane?
b) required to wear full pfd, have flares, ?radio?

gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
18 Dec 2005 11:55pm
I bet you don't need to wear a helmet.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Dec 2005 4:40am
quote:
Originally posted by jan
a) crossing a shipping lane?


look both ways and always give way to the right
the loopy chicken
the loopy chicken
WA
20 posts
WA, 20 posts
19 Dec 2005 10:35am
gutsy effort in my book...wish i did it too!

u others should take up knitting and stop all this bs about safety and sticking to the rules....someone kting back from rotto with a boat in support is a great idea and hurts no one... im sick of constantly reading about this stuff. i thought this sport was a little extreme and yes a little dangerous but if u dont like that dont do it. stop trying to wrap it up in cotton wool.

ps no one gets out alive anyway
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
19 Dec 2005 10:42am
from dpi...

All boats under 3.75 metres (12 feet) in length (including personal watercraft), must stay within five nautical miles from the mainland, unless they are within the limits of a port or within one mile of any island.

When in unprotected waters, more than 400 metres offshore, the PFD must be a Type 1 and flares must be carried.

Also, from http://www.fremantleports.com.au/EnvironmentSafety/navigating_fremantle_waters.pdf

Crossing to freo means you are passing through Fremantle port (Guage roads)
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:09pm
How many nautical miles is it from rotto to perth costlines
BTW why is a mile over water any different to a mile over land anyhow
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:18pm
Here you go - thanks to my handy little converter program
1 nautical mile = 1.150782 normal miles.
1 nautical mile = 1.852 normal kms.
No mention of nautical kms but if you do the maths
1 nautical mile = 2.131248264 nautical kms
Fascinating


mcbain
mcbain
WA
73 posts
WA, 73 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:20pm
it about 12 to rotto i think
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:26pm
This whole thing has now captured my interest & imagination.
Wondering now :-
When measuring anchor chain should it be referenced to nautical feet
And do you think sailors would refer to their penii size in nautical inches
Hhmmmm .....truly fascinating
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:53pm
a nautical mile is a minute of arc over the earths surface (360 degrees 60 mins per degree)

mattflyingaway
mattflyingaway
WA
106 posts
WA, 106 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:53pm
its 21 i think
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Dec 2005 1:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by jan

a nautical mile is a minute of arc over the earths surface (360 degrees 60 mins per degree)


WOW jan - Im impressed
Now you've got me thinking even deeper
Tell me wouldnt the earths surface be bigger when its high tide thereby making a nautical mile even longer
And do nautical miles get shorter as you move away from the equator
Praps we could develop this into a doctoral thesis - maybe even pitch it at the Nobels - WA seems to be flavour of the month with the judges at the moment.
anton
anton
202 posts
202 posts
19 Dec 2005 1:29pm
quote:
Originally posted by puppetonastring

How many nautical miles is it from rotto to perth costlines
BTW why is a mile over water any different to a mile over land anyhow



One knot = aero/nautical mile = one minute (of arc) of latitude. There are 60 minutes in one degree, etc etc. and is measured along a meridian of longitude.

One statute mile has Latin derivations (1000 paces of a Roman soldier) and has since been standardise via law hence statute.
robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
19 Dec 2005 1:33pm
oh jesus now all we need is for professor to come in and tell us how kn stoopid we all are for not knowing all this in the first place...
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Dec 2005 1:45pm
OMG all way too technical for my limited little brain
Only thing I get off on being 'over my head' is a kite

Its just hit 15kts @ Woodies - Im outa here
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
19 Dec 2005 1:53pm
quote:

Now you've got me thinking even deeper
Tell me wouldnt the earths surface be bigger when its high tide thereby making a nautical mile even longer
And do nautical miles get shorter as you move away from the equator



Yes, if the earth *was* larger, a nautical mile would be longer.

I don't think tides are considered when determining the radius of the earth.

And no, a nautical mile is the same regardless of distance from the equator
Stoojio
Stoojio
WA
39 posts
WA, 39 posts
19 Dec 2005 2:42pm
righto time to come clean it was me who did the the little rotto cruise, bit hairy but good fun.
and yes carbine i did have authorisation and the proper gear thanks for appointing yourself senior ****stable of the kite police.
if anyone is keen to have a crack i suggest you get hold of Barry Ng at the port authority (08)93781673 and he'll tell you what you need.
saftey wise, i personally use a great little local product called the 300 in 1 offshore marine multi gadget pfd. bit of a mouth full, but an awesome bit of kit, the standard pfd comes with an epirb, flares,marine radio,gps,fish finder and a bailing bucket its also got a drinks holder and cool little waterproof pouch just the right size for a pack of ciggers (hate not being able to smoke while im kiting)they will also customise pfd's with some people opting for things like rod holders and live bait tanks for more info and pricing go to www.tampertherustysherrifsbadge.com.au(the standard is roughly $36 000 bit exxy but well worth it) As for the island itself (i camped there a few days myself,near pinkys beach) the ranger was pretty cool with all my rubbish n empties (yes Carbine i am responsible and burried all the smashed empties to the required depth) food wise ,was a bit short on the local currency(weed) so one evening after a few too many cheeky sherbets i found myself chowing into a ridiculously slow quokka (tastes much the same as penguin) a shard of a broken VB stubbie made short work of it's jugular....bit messy......needless to say the local shop lost my patronage after stumbling onto this delicious morsal! will definitely be heading back this silly season .....if anyone is keen please PM
aperry
aperry
VIC
42 posts
VIC, 42 posts
19 Dec 2005 10:30pm
as for aero/nautical miles... I would have thought one minute of arc would be a hell of a long way at 30,000ft
rohjar
rohjar
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
19 Dec 2005 8:02pm
You da man, Stoojio!

As a kid, our family trips to Rotto weren't as exciting, intrepid or surreal as your camping adventure.

Now I feel like I had a deprived childhood.

Penguins? Really? I wouldna' thought they tasted like cute adorable quokkas. I would have guessed they tasted like a cross between a nice kitten and a dolphin...

Hmm, I really need to exorcise those demons of mine and do some kiting at Rottnest.
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
20 Dec 2005 8:27am
I heard a statitic once which said something like: if you had a globe representing the world which was about 10m in diametre, then the atmosphere would be less than a mm thick. That being the case it wouldn't really make much difference if it was high tide, or you if you were boosted to 30,000 feet.
Graeme
brady
brady
TAS
455 posts
TAS, 455 posts
20 Dec 2005 4:37pm
quote:
Originally posted by aperry

as for aero/nautical miles... I would have thought one minute of arc would be a hell of a long way at 30,000ft



Time to be really nerdy

C=2(pi)r. (sorry about the (pi) - don't know how to get the symbol

The difference between the circumference of the earth at sea level vs 30,000ft =2xpix30,000ft
= approx 180000ft

Now 1 minute of arc is 1/360degrees x 60minutes of the circumference
=1/21600

This translates to about 8ft difference in the length transcribed by 1 minute iof arc at 30000ft vs at sea level

If you assume that tide average is about 2m, then by the same mathematics, the difference would be about 0.5 millimetres

Geez I feel like a nerd
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