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the gaz
the gaz
WA
173 posts
WA, 173 posts
27 Apr 2006 7:03am
Now it's getting colder am thinking of Fiji as a destination. Any advice on good locations & travel tips. Have heard Plantation Isle is good.
Free2Kite
Free2Kite
QLD
85 posts
QLD, 85 posts
27 Apr 2006 9:26am
I'm holidaying in fiji in August.

Did some (lots) research and found out about winds from an ex fijian.

Seems the Trade winds blow as SE'ers and the small islands to the west and NW of the main island are mostly blocked from the wind.

also the winds have a funnelling effect between the 2 big islands which makes that the area to be for Kiting.

That leaves the main choice as the small islands off Ellington wharf.
the main Island that caters to Sailboarders and kiters is Nanaru-i-ra.

At this point my research led me to Tony L of RAL Innovations who is running the trip I'm on. while the Island is great for wind it is surrounded by reef and tide specific for landing and launching.

Safari lodge have the best range of support boats but as I can appreciate the fuel and manpower must be covered so it's either hope for enough kiters to share the cost, be rich, or go on a trip such as Tonys where it is all included and on call full time.

Anyway as I said, i did research , and before this starts sounding like pimping I'd suggest emailing RAL INN.

I heard there was 3 spots left about a week ago.

Freed.
doppelganger
doppelganger
VIC
337 posts
VIC, 337 posts
27 Apr 2006 11:03am
Gidday gaz, I'm also going to Fiji in August with Tony from R.A.L innovations. I was introduced to the owner of the resort from Ellington wharf earlier this year and he's very customer orientated. The final decision to take the trip was the fact that, whilst over there, we have at our disposal a 25 ft boat with driver. It can be used as a support vessel for down winders or wakeboarding ect if the wind lets us down on the odd day.

"See ya there Free2kite"
the gaz
the gaz
WA
173 posts
WA, 173 posts
27 Apr 2006 9:45am
Thanks for the feedback guys. Enjoy.
Venomguy
Venomguy
154 posts
154 posts
27 Apr 2006 2:03pm
The Scoop on Kiting in Fiji

I Have looked for sites in Fiji as well, for the past few years

Nanaru-i-ra. is talked about a lot but if you actually go there its a huge JOKE

Probable one of the worse zones for a kite launch and not very good for kiting in general,

no real beach to speak of and a long walk over weed and coral at low tide,

really best suited for wind surfing as the full SE winds don’t actually make it into the main beach, the stronger SE wind seems to sit about 400m offshore most of the day.

By far the best spots are on the Coral Cost, SE corner of main island.
and they get the full effects of the Trades each day.

If you like some luxury you cannot go past the Shangri-La resort for one of the best kite locations on the main island, was there a few weeks back and it has one sweet setup in the lagoon for flat water kiting or head out to the outer reefs for waves if your keen.

The kite beach is separated by a 20m wide stretch of water that snakes around the back of the resort ( the resort is on a separate island connected to the mainland by a small bridge), you can set your lines in a deserted and separate zone from the main family areas, so very safe, makes Nanaru-i-ra look like a toilet stop for hapless pole boarders.

cheers
Drew
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
27 Apr 2006 4:06pm
Venom guy,

your criticism of Nanaru-i-ra may be reasonable if you were to just restrict your activities to the island.

However there is good if not great sailing to be had there when wind and tide work together.

and it can be frustrating to watch the wind line passing the bay.

Hence the importance of the support boat, giving you the ability to take advantage of the 7 or so other kite spots in the area.

our first trip saw the two sides of the coin where a group of NZ sailboarders that took the island option spent most of their time drinking Bounty rum. we just kept getting in the boat and heading for a new starting spot. It was only at the start of the second week that we dialled in the boat launches and things really happened, then lamented the days we could have been kiting if we'd done it sooner.

This time all the crew will be given crash courses in boat launching in the first minutes of arriving.

So Doppleganger and Freed. Be ready.
and yes there are 3 kiting positions left and a couple of spots for non kiting partners.

best winds
Tony L
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3381 posts
QLD, 3381 posts
27 Apr 2006 4:57pm
venomguy is spot on the place is **** to kite even the other spots they talk off are just as bad. there are better places to kite than that end of fiji plus warrens nothing but a con, just have a read of previous posts about fiji and safari lodge,better knowen warrens island off hell.
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
617 posts
QLD, 617 posts
27 Apr 2006 7:03pm
Just got back from a week in Fiji. Didn't get much favourable response to queries about kiting the Coral Coast before I went so I didn't take my gear with me. What a dumb arse.

I stayed at Port Pacific which is in between Nandi and Suva on the Coral Coast. (Closer to Suva)

Perfect 7 kilometre sandy beach with crosshore/onshore 20knt winds EVERY DAY!!! No coral on the bottom and kiteable in every tide.

Met Phil Sloop who is one of only three kiters on that coast, an american marine engineer. He says that winter is just perfect every day.

The coastline closer to Nandi has coral on the bottom and is only kiteble at the higher tides.

Fitzy - Gold Coast OZ
Fiji Kiter
Fiji Kiter
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
28 Apr 2006 8:27am
There are 4 of us keen everytime the wind blows kiters at Pacific harbour, 1 off is Rob Sloop the american mentioned in the previous post. Myself and the other two are ausie.

Suva has 3 other kiters that i know of

The beach is good for fiji as the beachs here are not nealy as wide as OZ. hard to beat an Aus beach.
Pacific harbour is on the most southern part of Fijis main island is exposed to the south east trades.
Winter is when the trades come, summer is very frustrating and we have to wait way too long between kites.
Wind is realy warm and weak too, need larger kites
Wind is side shore
(90% of the time we kite at Navua [next town}on some private land, here we get sand banks & flat water + reef + small wavelets, heaps more fun and different things to do other than punching through the wind chop on the beach.

Coral coast is a good area that need exploring. we dont venture that way as its neally 1 to 2 hours drive

Sigatoka is a good wave place and has consistant beach break on the western side of the river. only easy excessable waves in fiji, except kiting along the fringing reef on reef breaks where you can find them

As mentioned the shangri-la fijian is also a good spot.

Any body wants know anything , let me know

Hendrik
Warren Francis
Warren Francis
NSW
211 posts
NSW, 211 posts
28 Apr 2006 8:50pm
Hi Free2kite, Doppelganger & Tony

Glad you did your research….guess it doesn’t take too much to read all of last years guests comments on the www.safarilodge.com.fj website….how can they all be so favourable and supportive! I’ll load up this years to date comments this week too….

We have almost finished stage 2 of our construction including our new Island Shop, Bar and Restaurant. Our first upmarket Beachfront Bure is finished and the Ocean view Villa is on track for a May opening.

Our 40ft Container arrived yesterday, complete with 10 person Jazucci Spa, Seadoo Jetski and plenty more toys….getting ready for another action packed winter!

Safari Lodge started in Fiji before kites were invented…..in 1991 – that’s almost 16 years now….so we know where the wind is. Our Windsurfing trips were seasonal, offering winter trips to match the S.E. trade winds…..The Bay is perfect for Windsurfers and kiters….you just have to use common sense and not try to launch right in the lee corner where the wind swirls….our location about 400m from the corner gets the full winds, easy launching….no wind lines here!

Plantation Island is very family oriented, nice family resort location…but I’m not confident about the wind reliability as it is sheltered by the mainland from the prevailing S.E. winds (check on the map!)….aren’t all touristy resorts protected..isn’t that why they built them there…?

Gotta add to Fitzy’ comment…Can’t believe they haven’t met up with the “other” 3 kiters there, namely Tom who works in Pac Harbour and his two fellow American mates – they all came up to kite with me here on Nananu-I-Ra late January…..had a great session together…they’ve been living there in Pac for over 2 years now……fly Globeriders 2005/06 models….surely you’ve seen them.

As for Paul J….get over it! You’ll be pleased to know we are still operating and have re-invested over $500,000 in development works…..at Safari Lodge. We employ 26 happy staff and can only hope for another great season like last year. Sorry I missed you when I was back in Aus over Feb and March. You’ll be pleased to hear Visori keeps asking for his old job back……

Roll on 2006…..Nananu-I-Ra kiting is terrific…..the wind’s pumping and so are this seasons bookings……

Rgds

Warren Francis
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3381 posts
QLD, 3381 posts
29 Apr 2006 5:36am
To all please refer to the other post about safari lodge!!
Warren you should know better than to post here. You have many people that know all about you in australia. Many people you have pissed off.
I am very sorry that i missed you on your recent visit here on the goldie aswell. You should called me!!! I would've come and said hello, NOT!!
How funny that you still can con innocent people into going to your hell hole place!!!
Is that the 40ft cont was was ment to arrive over 1 year ago. Liar!!!


You really do crack me up. To all who know me or know of me here in australia, i have never hated or disliked anyone, but with you warren it's different.


Paul j
www.learntokite.com.au
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3381 posts
QLD, 3381 posts
29 Apr 2006 6:13am
you all so mention that your new breachfront brue and ocean view villa is finshed!!!!

What did you get a bigger size TENT!!!! Does this one leak like a bitch aswell.

The 10 person Spa, WHAT THE??? Does this come with mud for a lovely relaxing experience. Or is that the spa, just help yourself when it rains. Just step outside your tent there's heaps of mud to roll around in.

Unbelivable

Warren Francis
Warren Francis
NSW
211 posts
NSW, 211 posts
29 Apr 2006 7:10am
Paul

Display some maturity....I'm not going to discuss your issues, you saw the new 20ft container last April on my property, this year i got a new 40ft container.....twice as many items...you work it out!

I'll load the new photos this week of the NEW beachfront Bure... yep...finished! The Ocen View Villa is due for May completion... clearly written i would have thought...

Read my guestbook from all my Australian clients....funny how paying clients are happy...

Stop slinging the mud Paul...the Guestbook speaks for itself....Get your facts right for a change....

Rgds

Warren Francis


RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
29 Apr 2006 6:52am
quote:
Hi Free2kite, Doppelganger & Tony

Glad you did your research….guess it doesn’t take too much to read all of last years guests comments on the www.safarilodge.com.fj website….how can they all be so favourable and supportive! I’ll load up this years to date comments this week too….

We have almost finished stage 2 of our construction including our new Island Shop, Bar and Restaurant. Our first upmarket Beachfront Bure is finished and the Ocean view Villa is on track for a May opening.

Our 40ft Container arrived yesterday, complete with 10 person Jazucci Spa, Seadoo Jetski and plenty more toys….getting ready for another action packed winter!

Safari Lodge started in Fiji before kites were invented…..in 1991 – that’s almost 16 years now….so we know where the wind is. Our Windsurfing trips were seasonal, offering winter trips to match the S.E. trade winds…..The Bay is perfect for Windsurfers and kiters….you just have to use common sense and not try to launch right in the lee corner where the wind swirls….our location about 400m from the corner gets the full winds, easy launching….no wind lines here!

Plantation Island is very family oriented, nice family resort location…but I’m not confident about the wind reliability as it is sheltered by the mainland from the prevailing S.E. winds (check on the map!)….aren’t all touristy resorts protected..isn’t that why they built them there…?

Gotta add to Fitzy’ comment…Can’t believe they haven’t met up with the “other” 3 kiters there, namely Tom who works in Pac Harbour and his two fellow American mates – they all came up to kite with me here on Nananu-I-Ra late January…..had a great session together…they’ve been living there in Pac for over 2 years now……fly Globeriders 2005/06 models….surely you’ve seen them.

As for Paul J….get over it! You’ll be pleased to know we are still operating and have re-invested over $500,000 in development works…..at Safari Lodge. We employ 26 happy staff and can only hope for another great season like last year. Sorry I missed you when I was back in Aus over Feb and March. You’ll be pleased to hear Visori keeps asking for his old job back……

Roll on 2006…..Nananu-I-Ra kiting is terrific…..the wind’s pumping and so are this seasons bookings……

Rgds

Warren Francis



I've had the advantage of seeing update pics of the "tents"
Paul.J. you have a fun way with words.
Still I'm sure you really are just trying to be sarcastic in a clumsy way.

As a business owner, I am also very sure you would not like it if any of the people you have tried to teach and failed. Not your fault of course. Come onto a public forum proclaiming you to be a useless, self serving, egotistical kite instructor. You would have the right to reply that they should not let one bad experience color their whole perception of your business. And anyway they had their lesson in no wind and raining.

After exercising this right of reply that hard done by customer would then just be seen to be a vindictive barstard, if he were to continue.

Best winds
Tony L

PS: we will be having lots of fun and probably not thinking about those back home
winddummy
winddummy
2 posts
2 posts
12 May 2006 10:47am
quote:
Originally posted by Fiji Kiter

There are 4 of us keen everytime the wind blows kiters at Pacific harbour, 1 off is Rob Sloop the american mentioned in the previous post. Myself and the other two are ausie.

Suva has 3 other kiters that i know of

The beach is good for fiji as the beachs here are not nealy as wide as OZ. hard to beat an Aus beach.
Pacific harbour is on the most southern part of Fijis main island is exposed to the south east trades.
Winter is when the trades come, summer is very frustrating and we have to wait way too long between kites.
Wind is realy warm and weak too, need larger kites
Wind is side shore
(90% of the time we kite at Navua [next town}on some private land, here we get sand banks & flat water + reef + small wavelets, heaps more fun and different things to do other than punching through the wind chop on the beach.

Coral coast is a good area that need exploring. we dont venture that way as its neally 1 to 2 hours drive

Sigatoka is a good wave place and has consistant beach break on the western side of the river. only easy excessable waves in fiji, except kiting along the fringing reef on reef breaks where you can find them

As mentioned the shangri-la fijian is also a good spot.

Any body wants know anything , let me know

Hendrik


em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
16 May 2006 7:40pm
Warren,
gosh, this IS getting old now.
I can't believe you still dare puting posts on this forum...
Thanks for telling my current work partner that I could take my students over if I wanted (it was a joke, wasn't it?); next time, instead of using intermediaries, do me a favour, speak to me directly: you have no problem finding my friends each time you come doing your little selling tour in Sydney, I'm surprised you don't manage to talk to me face to face...
But now that you're asking, yes, I'm doing great, thank you! Being ripped off and losing my business is certainly one of the best thing that ever happened to me, I can't thank you enough: without you, I would never have ended up here and I am so sincerely thankful for it!
-thanks again to all of you who've been there for me when I arrived with nothing but 10 aussie dollars in my pocket a year ago: you guys are awesome, and I had the best time of my life since I got here. Thank you (can't name all the people who've been good to me, hope you guys will reconize yourself in this statement, my close friends as well than all the random people who gave me a hand through this incredible journey)-
For anyone interested in going to Fiji, I tried Singatoka last time I went: was unlucky with the wind, but the rivermouth was a great spot and I found couple of other wicked ones (no coral). they're quite hidden but I hooked up with locals there who know how to get there (and launch a kite), happy to put anyone in touch.
Natadola beach on the west coast is a killer with the right wind direction (if you like gigantic turtoises popping right next to you when you cruise...One of the best kite I ever had!) and for anyone looking for a friendly/cheap place in the area, I highly recommend the Kalevu cultural centre, held by a wonderful lady. She will help you finding your way around (plus she now does know all the good kitesurfing spots!), lend you the minibus, take you to the local market: she's a gem. The place is cheap, tidy, amazing food, promotes the local culture and is ran essentially by Fijians. (website: www.fijiculturalcentre.com)
Anyone needing further informations, regarding the wind conditions, places to stay, etc, is more than welcome to contact me.



robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
16 May 2006 9:48pm
Lol at this topic.

@ Warren, as a business owner myself, my best bit of advice to you is:

STFU!!!

Everytime you post you bring potential customers attention to this thread.

You may have a great place, but if people keep watching you having a mud slinging contest (with previous customers - whom i know didnt pay much) on seabreeze - their opinion of you and your business will just plummet.

I sincerely mean this in a nice way: learn to know when to leave a dead dog lie dude.

Robbo.
bogan
bogan
WA
4 posts
WA, 4 posts
17 May 2006 7:11pm
It's really strange how most of the positive comments about Safari Lodge on this forum are from Warren Francis, his booking agent or people who have booked to go to safari lodge but haven't actually been there yet. All the negative comments are from people who have stayed there.
Personally I wouldn't be promoting a place until I'd been there and seen it for myself. Come On do you honestly think you can judge a place by looking at there website!!! They will say anything, gloss up photos and make up guest comments to get you there, its marketing people!!! Do believe all the ads you see.
I have been to the Island, not stayed at Safari Lodge so I wont comment on that, but I will say it is not a great spot for kiting at all.
In one of the recent threads about Fiji/ Safari Lodge. Did anyone else notice the similarities between Warren Francis' and Coolriders writing??????????????? Marketing????????
shlandrews
shlandrews
NSW
3 posts
NSW, 3 posts
21 Jul 2006 3:24pm
well, another one bites the dust...

warren's last windsurfing instructor has quit as well! not sure on the state of the kiting instructor, he didnt seem the most happy employee when i was there.

i was there recently in july for a week or so. most negative things you have heard about warren on this site are true, although he will give you a different versino of events involving the kite mag guys. i had a versino of events confirmed by a few people on the island that he actually spent a night in jail for trying to fraudulently file charges against one of those guys for assault after he took a dive and said he was punched by one of them... charming man.
he is condescending towards staff, aswell as guests.
i stayed there a couple of times when i was in fiji. the first time, i was told boat support was apart of staying at safari lodge, and he was providing it 'simply because he wanted me to have a good time'. great, i believe that was one of the few positive things i could say about warren. infact i even offered to pay the driver's wages and the boats fuel costs, warren still insisted it was aprt of my stay at safari lodge. on my return the second time, i assumed this was again free, but i was infact then charged $85 per 1-2hr trip without being informed of it in the first place. he then tried to charge me for parking my car on his property! i found this quite unbelievable, especially as i had driven him, 2 of his staff, and 3 of his guests at 3am in the morning to watch the Australia v. Italy world cup game. now, i dont know about you, but that should really justify no charge for a car park?...
as an individual, warren has little concept of respect for his guests, inparticular the female ones. may i warn you now, if you are female, warren is married(or as good as) with child, but i know of many occassions when that really hasnt stopped him. one of those times was with a girl i ended up hooking up with at safari lodge. warren made her stay there incredibly uncomfortable because he had continually tried to hit on her, not recognising her unwelcoming reactions. she would have left within a day into her stay had it not been for us gettin together, which then made my stay with warren uncomfortable aswell. yes, we should have just left, but i was there to kite and was a beginner needing the boat support and believed warren's insistance that nowhere else in fiji could you kitesurf safely...

there are a long list of things i could write about warren, but those are just a few of what personally affected me. i write this so you have an informed opinion of safari lodge. alot of people find warren fine to get along with, but they are generally only dealing with warren as a host, not as a person.

i also recommend that if you are going, he charges alot more to people who pre-book than those who 'turn up'. some friends of mine staying there where charged $300 per night for a double, which was previously let for $80 per night. i know i was charged at a higher rate upon departure as to that i was quoted over the phone and via email.

nananu-i-ra is a beautiful spot, but i would recommend another place to stay, there are several other cheap places to stay on the island. i also only recommend going if you are advanced rider, launching from the beach is dangerous and gusty. the beginner's beach requires boat support(apparently $85 per trip) and the wind is off shore... so you spend alot of time getting in and out of a boat and re-inflating bladders.

fiji is a great place to visit, and the people are the most genuinely friendly, welcoming people you have ever met, all with the one exception i met on nananu-i-ra...! i was in fiji for over a month, as part of a company providing affordable solar lighting kits and other renewable concepts to the people of fiji. it was such a shame that my time there was only spoilt by an ex-pat who believes his small title of land makes him king and a right to treat people in whatever manner he feels is advantageous to his greedy, sleezy ways.

grow up warren, learn some responsibility and respect towards your wife and child, conduct your business in a fair practice and perhaps not so many guests will leave unhappy(although i do recognise some people do seem to leave happy and content).

good luck in finding the perfect fijian holiday. the SE corner of Veti Levu is perfect for kiting/windsurfing, many beaches without coral breaks and all on/across shore breezes. i drove right along the coral coast(southern side of veti levu) and you could pretty much pull up anywhere and whip your gear out and get on the water. the wind felt alot more consistent aswell.

i welcome warren's reponse, i would like to know from him why he didn't have the courage to deal with me personally when i left and all the added charges began to arise. apparently he was 'in a meeting and unavailable to talk to me' when i was settling my bill..

sam
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
25 Jul 2006 8:19am
quote:
Originally posted by shlandrews

well, another one bites the dust...

warren's last windsurfing instructor has quit as well! not sure on the state of the kiting instructor, he didnt seem the most happy employee when i was there.

i was there recently in july for a week or so. most negative things you have heard about warren on this site are true, although he will give you a different versino of events involving the kite mag guys. i had a versino of events confirmed by a few people on the island that he actually spent a night in jail for trying to fraudulently file charges against one of those guys for assault after he took a dive and said he was punched by one of them... charming man.
he is condescending towards staff, aswell as guests.
i stayed there a couple of times when i was in fiji. the first time, i was told boat support was apart of staying at safari lodge, and he was providing it 'simply because he wanted me to have a good time'. great, i believe that was one of the few positive things i could say about warren. infact i even offered to pay the driver's wages and the boats fuel costs, warren still insisted it was aprt of my stay at safari lodge. on my return the second time, i assumed this was again free, but i was infact then charged $85 per 1-2hr trip without being informed of it in the first place. he then tried to charge me for parking my car on his property! i found this quite unbelievable, especially as i had driven him, 2 of his staff, and 3 of his guests at 3am in the morning to watch the Australia v. Italy world cup game. now, i dont know about you, but that should really justify no charge for a car park?...
as an individual, warren has little concept of respect for his guests, inparticular the female ones. may i warn you now, if you are female, warren is married(or as good as) with child, but i know of many occassions when that really hasnt stopped him. one of those times was with a girl i ended up hooking up with at safari lodge. warren made her stay there incredibly uncomfortable because he had continually tried to hit on her, not recognising her unwelcoming reactions. she would have left within a day into her stay had it not been for us gettin together, which then made my stay with warren uncomfortable aswell. yes, we should have just left, but i was there to kite and was a beginner needing the boat support and believed warren's insistance that nowhere else in fiji could you kitesurf safely...

there are a long list of things i could write about warren, but those are just a few of what personally affected me. i write this so you have an informed opinion of safari lodge. alot of people find warren fine to get along with, but they are generally only dealing with warren as a host, not as a person.

i also recommend that if you are going, he charges alot more to people who pre-book than those who 'turn up'. some friends of mine staying there where charged $300 per night for a double, which was previously let for $80 per night. i know i was charged at a higher rate upon departure as to that i was quoted over the phone and via email.

nananu-i-ra is a beautiful spot, but i would recommend another place to stay, there are several other cheap places to stay on the island. i also only recommend going if you are advanced rider, launching from the beach is dangerous and gusty. the beginner's beach requires boat support(apparently $85 per trip) and the wind is off shore... so you spend alot of time getting in and out of a boat and re-inflating bladders.

fiji is a great place to visit, and the people are the most genuinely friendly, welcoming people you have ever met, all with the one exception i met on nananu-i-ra...! i was in fiji for over a month, as part of a company providing affordable solar lighting kits and other renewable concepts to the people of fiji. it was such a shame that my time there was only spoilt by an ex-pat who believes his small title of land makes him king and a right to treat people in whatever manner he feels is advantageous to his greedy, sleezy ways.

grow up warren, learn some responsibility and respect towards your wife and child, conduct your business in a fair practice and perhaps not so many guests will leave unhappy(although i do recognise some people do seem to leave happy and content).

good luck in finding the perfect fijian holiday. the SE corner of Veti Levu is perfect for kiting/windsurfing, many beaches without coral breaks and all on/across shore breezes. i drove right along the coral coast(southern side of veti levu) and you could pretty much pull up anywhere and whip your gear out and get on the water. the wind felt alot more consistent aswell.

i welcome warren's reponse, i would like to know from him why he didn't have the courage to deal with me personally when i left and all the added charges began to arise. apparently he was 'in a meeting and unavailable to talk to me' when i was settling my bill..

sam



Shlandrews,
These Fijian threads always crack me up.
Warren always cops a bashing but he comes back for more.
The man must be punch drunk.

Sam, I read your post thoroughly, lots of complaining and bitching,
but in the end you scored the girl.
Congrats dude, you're the man.

Look, this is my take on it.
If you don't like the resort and its host,
you pack up your gear and leave for greener pastures.
You don't hang around for days and days experiencing bad vibes,
and then whine about the bill when you check-out.

But the main problem with the whole nature-sport resort thing is this;
Some guests can place a very high expectation upon the host,
to magically provide ideal weather conditions for kiting/surfing/snowboarding etc whatever.
That's unfair.

As a guest, you need to be hopefull of good weather conditions,
but not expect Ma Nature to turn it on instantly upon your arrival.
Guests need to have open minds and be happily surprised if the weather does co-operate.
Enjoy the people and the place and be less obsessed about the whims of nature.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
25 Jul 2006 10:36am
I went to Plantation Island 4-5 years ago. It was nice. There was wind 5 days out of 7.

Earlier in the day at low tide you get a boat out to a sand bar and ride there. If the wind is right you can ride back to the back side of the island as the tide comes up. If not you need to get the boat to come out and get you. It's best to have a friend to hassle the boat guys. The chance of them remembering to come and pick you up are slim.

You can ride back to the main beach but it is in a wind shadow so you will probably get stuck and have to swim/walk in. Booties are advisable to avoid coral cuts.

At mid tide you can launch at the point and ride up and down the back side of the island or out to the reef.

At high tide you can launch at the air strip then ride across the reef at the backside of the island. Beware of planes taking off and landing.

Other than that, it's cheap enough. The food's ok. They have beer and there's the more upmarket Musket Cove resort at the other end of the island where you can get a change of scenery and a decent coffee.

I don't know about stray women. I didn't go for the night life and I took my own sex toy.
Warren Francis
Warren Francis
NSW
211 posts
NSW, 211 posts
25 Jul 2006 5:44pm
Sam

Not even going to bother to reply to your crap......typical..another $15/night camper who wants the world!

Last week 24 happy clients, this week 19 happy clients....dream on Sam....

Wind was 25+ knots today....beaut! 12m kiting and 5.2m Windsurfing...

Windsurfing Instructor did not quit, Sam...he was asked to leave and driven to Nadi airport! First Instructor in 15 years i have had to ask to leave.....and only the third who hasn't lasted the whole season....

Having a great season....

Warren
PS. my partner + daughter are beautiful!
West
West
WA
15 posts
WA, 15 posts
25 Jul 2006 4:15pm
I've been to Safari Lodge, booked for a week, stayed for 2. I found the facilities to be excellent, and I would go back again (shock horror!). Wind was great, 11 days out of 14. When there was no wind or in the mornings before it came in we went fishing, and snorkeling which was outstanding, the coral and aquatic life was some of the most interesting and colorful I've seen, not spoiled yet by mass tourism.

As for the conditions out the front of the lodge, it's fine. An intermediate kiter would not have any troubles on any tide... Fiji was the first spot outside Oz I'd been, and since I've explored many more locations. All i can say is, adapt to the local conditions... you don't always have the luxury of 100 meters of beach up your sleeve in case you stuff up launching, landing or showing off for the fans on the shoreline , it doesn't mean it's a ****e location, just means you've gotta be a little more carful. Once you're on the water it's not an issue, the shallow coral only goes 50m out then you're into deep water with the usual wind chop, with some flatter water and sandy bottom 500m upwimd at the top end of the bay.

If you're not comfortable with the launch out the front of the lodge, there's always a boat available, head out to sandy beach/point (can't remember).. it's offshore and you can kite to your hearts content with nothing to run into, nice swells to lanch off and if you get stuck downwind or can't get back to your board the boat is there to help you within a few minutes. Easy!. N go and get some samosa's and a beer from Ellington Wharf on the way home.

I think it's a good spot, the service provided was great, met some great ppl and most importantly it's consistantly windy in our off season. I've heard both sides of the now imfamous story, and understand both sides, basically I believe it shouldn't affect your decision either way. Just remember we are very lucky in Oz to have some of the best kitebeaches in the world right here, you'll find it hard to find better overseas.

And as good as Bounty rum is.... bring plenty of Bundy!

Anyone done Noumea???
shlandrews
shlandrews
NSW
3 posts
NSW, 3 posts
26 Jul 2006 6:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

Originally posted by shlandrews

But the main problem with the whole nature-sport resort thing is this;
Some guests can place a very high expectation upon the host,
to magically provide ideal weather conditions for kiting/surfing/snowboarding etc whatever.
That's unfair.

As a guest, you need to be hopefull of good weather conditions,
but not expect Ma Nature to turn it on instantly upon your arrival.
Guests need to have open minds and be happily surprised if the weather does co-operate.
Enjoy the people and the place and be less obsessed about the whims of nature.



did i complain about the weather?.... did i complain about fiji?.... no, safari lodge.

one might read it as a bitching exercise, but why shouldnt people hear negatives about a place and not just this forum's usual happy guest book? people should have the right to differing opinions, hence a forum.. i'm not now attacking you mate, i thought your post was a good generalised opinion on how to make a good holiday.
shlandrews
shlandrews
NSW
3 posts
NSW, 3 posts
26 Jul 2006 7:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by Warren Francis

Sam

Not even going to bother to reply to your crap......typical..another $15/night camper who wants the world!



i didnt think you'd have much to reply with.
i never asked for anything for free, and i also paid over the standard rate for my room. i only camped later because i was flat broke. i certainly didnt ask for anything for free from you, simply a consistent rate.

quote:

Last week 24 happy clients, this week 19 happy clients....dream on Sam....



thats great to hear, i'm glad they didnt experience some of the crap i did. if people are happy, so be it, did i ever say everyone leaves unhappy? with hindsight, the key to a happy holiday is certainly to live in your own world and ignore what happens behinds the scenes.

quote:

Windsurfing Instructor did not quit, Sam...he was asked to leave and driven to Nadi airport!



ok, the one thing that would stop me believing your version of events is that its pretty unlikely he was driven to the airport, seeing as he spent a further 2 weeks kicking around fiji surfing... anyway, a lift to the airport would be the least that guy deserved from you.

quote:

PS. my partner + daughter are beautiful!



they are, all the best to their futures.


anyway all bothering to read this, sorry this has been dragged down to this level. i'm not going to bother with another thread, i've already given safari too much space in my thoughts...
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
hi fliya
hi fliya
WA
128 posts
WA, 128 posts
26 Jul 2006 6:15pm
More Fiji mud slinging! I went there for 2 weeks, travelled the whole Coral coast- named for a good reason, because there's more coral than water. No possibility of kiting there unless you're insane. Singatoka beach looked ok, hard to get to, Natandola looked good too, but out of 14 days in peak trade wind season, I scored only 2 days of shifty gusty wind. Friendly locals?? THey're friendly enough when they're trying to sell you something, the rest of the time couldn't care less. In 1 hour of lying on Natandola beach minding my own business I had 3 different locals trying to sell me a horse ride, another 3 trying to sell me coconuts, shells and some other useless ****, and another 2 toothless dirty hags trying to sell me a massage!! It felt like the whole time I was there I could not relax and enjoy, because I was constantly pestered and haggling.

I travelled up through the Yasawa Islands, looking for good times and kiting. More overpriced crappy service, and dodgy kiting spots, thank goodness there was no wind to tempt me out on the offshore, gusty coral reefs.

I'm sure there's great kiting to be had, and all these posts say its good if you've got a support boat, wait for high tide, dodge the trees, learn to boat launch etc etc.. Why bother?? There's a thousand better kiting locations out there in the world, why take your chances with Fijian fickle winds and razor coral? Spend that precious hard earned on a destination that is value for money...

Bring on the big weekend swell! see ya out there..
angie pangi
angie pangi
QLD
1782 posts
QLD, 1782 posts
26 Jul 2006 8:33pm
I could be totally wrong but doesn't WEST sounds alot like WARREN? Same paragraghing with posts and almost some of the same wording?

I've never been to fiji but i know alot of people that have. All places have bad points and good points. U will never find me at safari lodge for obvious reasons.

I have eva been to new cal that place rocks. Better still WA oz kicks arse.

Just my thoughts anyway.
Angie

West
West
WA
15 posts
WA, 15 posts
27 Jul 2006 2:51am
Hi Angie, no I'm not Warren, i live in melb and grew up in perth so i hear what you're saying bout WA... and as i said in my previous post... we're lucky to have some of the worlds best conditions in aus... particularly in WA!

Where abouts did you go in new cal? what months? where did you stay?i've got heaps of time off in the next few months, i'll be paying denham a visit, but wouldn't mind a few weeks somewhere different too.

cheers n beers
angie pangi
angie pangi
QLD
1782 posts
QLD, 1782 posts
27 Jul 2006 8:57am
Hi west, sorry about that.
I sailed new cal with marine and cindy for 8 days. We left noumea and sailed all the way around isle of pine, on a 40ft cat. WAS GREAT!!!
We kited nice best lagoon i've eva seen with sandy bottom. Also kited many islands and cays off noumea, did downwinders from 1 island to another. The skipper followed us on the downwinders, was great.
I would highly recommend it to everyone.
I'll put some pics up.

Cheers angie
Cindy Mosey
Cindy Mosey
WA
4 posts
WA, 4 posts
28 Jul 2006 8:50am
Hi There,

My partner and I sailed around Fiji on a yacht for two winters and found some good places to kite. We think we worked out the wind.

If anyone is heading over that way and wants some advice drop me a line. [email protected]
Cindy
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