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Originally posted by kiterdan


Im sorry but what you said was possibly the most unintelligent piece of **** ever smeared on these forums.

There are no waves in the world? WTF?

No science going into making kites? Backyarders making kites? Perhaps a backyarder couldnt be ****ed putting a more traditional arc in the kite and came up with the flat bow kite? No modelling and analysis of the products I suppose? No prototypes, just finished products that aren't tested in anyway and thrown on the market [Not saying that there havent been huge mistakes made by brands though!]. Why not just use a tarpolin with a broom handle and fishing line and a logo screen-printed on the top? Cause its been tested and it doesnt work! (Although didn't some try this?)

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name a place that has consistent swell and wind at the same time within 1hr of perth and I don't mean slop like your mummas twange.

I didn't say no science I said not much science. (Hot tip, read then reply).

Each brand has 1 or 2 people designing kites. These guys are windsurfers or kitesurfers with little experience in manufacturing or design and no formal training. They have the same ability as you or me to design a kite and most of the time its like what you say trial and error, not actual thought out design.

Now why aren't there proper R&D teams? The margins aint there? Why because anyone can enter the market design a kite and hire a factory. We might get to a stage where kite manufacturing becomes too specialised for the average backyarder to do but we ain't there yet(getting closer with bows though but thats all Legaignoux brothers though, not any manufacturers).

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name a place that has consistent swell and wind at the same time within 1hr of perth and I don't mean slop like your mummas twange.

I didn't say no science I said not much science. (Hot tip, read then reply).

Each brand has 1 or 2 people designing kites. These guys are windsurfers or kitesurfers with little experience in manufacturing or design and no formal training. They have the same ability as you or me to design a kite and most of the time its like what you say trial and error, not actual thought out design.

Now why aren't there proper R&D teams? The margins aint there? Why because anyone can enter the market design a kite and hire a factory. We might get to a stage where kite manufacturing becomes too specialised for the average backyarder to do but we ain't there yet(getting closer with bows though but thats all Legaignoux brothers though, not any manufacturers).

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woah!
Well done dave. You just showed your maturity. How old are you? 10? 'Your mama' jokes went out ages ago dude...get over it.

Do you honestly believe that RRD designed a kite for Perth only? No, they designed it for kitesurfers who have access to waves around the world, slop or not. I was only pointing out that this was their second season with a depowering mechanism on their control systems so they would have worked some of the flaws out with their system.
Designers start somewhere and with a few years under the belt they know a bit more than you and I, dave. You have to have a plan (or design) before you even start manufacturing a prototype...i.e. trial and error means having a plan.

Yeah Brownee, heaps of work to do...but as you said, what would I know?

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Originally posted by kiterdan
woah!
Well done dave. You just showed your maturity. How old are you? 10? 'Your mama' jokes went out ages ago dude...get over it.

Do you honestly believe that RRD designed a kite for Perth only? No, they designed it for kitesurfers who have access to waves around the world, slop or not. I was only pointing out that this was their second season with a depowering mechanism on their control systems so they would have worked some of the flaws out with their system.
Designers start somewhere and with a few years under the belt they know a bit more than you and I, dave. You have to have a plan (or design) before you even start manufacturing a prototype...i.e. trial and error means having a plan.

Yeah Brownee, heaps of work to do...but as you said, what would I know?

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Im 9, will be world champion in 3weeks.

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Originally posted by kiterdan
Kiters didnt have to wait till 2006 to get a kite that depowered by pushing the bar out. RRD did it with the wave type in 2005.
Apparently one of the 2006 RRD kites will have an option of having two different bars: one for waves (push out to depower), one for freestyle. All will have the same bridle as RRD wave type I.
This will be the second season for the kite so the flaws with the bar and bridle system will have been addressed.
Not sure if the windrange compares to crossbow though. Anyone ridden both?
And it is a bit cheaper too!!!

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Now, lets get back to the start of things. You were trying to say the rrd is an alternative to the bow.

It's not even close.

Thats why I said, It doesn't jump.

Now theres also no places to use this kite around here. So obviously this kite is a **** alternative to the bow not just in Perth but everywhere.

gees...comprehension skills are right up there too
9 did you say?

Hello Chine,
According to your own figures, the Hellfish is the most expensive kite on your list.

But then again, it's not in production, so it's not really an issue is it?

So what was your point again?

Now let's go through what you've said...

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"There isn't much science that goes into making these kites."

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Only the basic science of physic's... Now you could get caught up in either Bernoulis theory or the Cowanda Principle

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"The people who design them are backyarders just chucking there hand at it."

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So you know them all do you ? I know two degsigners with a combined time in the industry more than your age Carbine !, One of them has degree's up the waarzoo from "MIT", he designs Monkeykites and the other is our own Peter Steiwe with a truck load of design expience in many sailing applications.

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"Don't kid your self that there are "R&D teams".

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Yeah thats why all of the brands have designers on fulltime salarys and producing gear for the top riders to test all year round !

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"wtf has pulley bars got to do with me commenting on brands r&d? (btw I know the difference, do you?)"

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Well your putting your knowledge of the kiting industry out there for everone to see and making some pretty big claims and you dont even appear to know the bsic of how & why a pulley bar was created ?... Oh yeah by the way I've been riding pulley bars for ooh two may be three years including every other bar we have for sale @ bestkiteboarding...

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"downloading surfplan off the interweb doesn't constitute r&d."

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Your correct there... It's a design tool !

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"Who are the big brands with R&d teams? Naish, North...? ken winner, don montague (not mit graduates by a long shot)"

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Arh... pretty much all of them !

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"name a place that has consistent swell and wind at the same time within 1hr of perth and I don't mean slop like your mummas twange."

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Thats just childish mate !

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"I didn't say no science I said not much science."

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Physic's, aerodynamic's, practical knowledge to name a few area invloved !

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"Each brand has 1 or 2 people designing kites. These guys are windsurfers or kitesurfers with little experience in manufacturing or design and no formal training. They have the same ability as you or me to design a kite and most of the time its like what you say trial and error, not actual thought out design...Now why aren't there proper R&D teams? The margins aint there? Why because anyone can enter the market design a kite and hire a factory. We might get to a stage where kite manufacturing becomes too specialised for the average backyarder to do but we ain't there yet(getting closer with bows though but thats all Legaignoux brothers though, not any manufacturers)."

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Thats a bold claim...

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"Now, lets get back to the start of things. You were trying to say the rrd is an alternative to the bow, It's not even close."

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That's not what he said... He was talking about the bar !

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"Now theres also no places to use this kite around here. So obviously this kite is a **** alternative to the bow not just in Perth but everywhere."

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Tell that to Jake, Ry, Carl, Aron, Ben and the rest of the boys who have ridden some of he most heavyiest wave in kiting to date in WA !

regards browneee @ bestkiteboarding

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Now let's go through what you've said...

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"There isn't much science that goes into making these kites."

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Only the basic science of physic's... Now you could get caught up in either Bernoulis theory or the Cowanda Principle

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Coanda effect and bernoulli principle btw.

Are the designers using these theorys in application or simply typing numbers into surfplan and guessing.

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"The people who design them are backyarders just chucking there hand at it."

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So you know them all do you ? I know two degsigners with a combined time in the industry more than your age Carbine !, One of them has degree's up the waarzoo from "MIT", he designs Monkeykites and the other is our own Peter Steiwe with a truck load of design expience in many sailing applications.

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Soul is a mechanical engineer and well and truly a back yarder www.zeroprestige.org/.

Peter Steiwe is a stunt kite designer right?

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"Don't kid your self that there are "R&D teams".

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Yeah thats why all of the brands have designers on fulltime salarys and producing gear for the top riders to test all year round !

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lets get some figures for the R&D teams budget at best.

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"wtf has pulley bars got to do with me commenting on brands r&d? (btw I know the difference, do you?)"

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Well your putting your knowledge of the kiting industry out there for everone to see and making some pretty big claims and you dont even appear to know the bsic of how & why a pulley bar was created ?... Oh yeah by the way I've been riding pulley bars for ooh two may be three years including every other bar we have for sale @ bestkiteboarding...

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I've been driving a car for two may be three years, therefor im an expert on them.

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"downloading surfplan off the interweb doesn't constitute r&d."

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Your correct there... It's a design tool !

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Download surfplan, send design to cnc cutter, pay chinese woman to sew it together.

No r&d in there.

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"Who are the big brands with R&d teams? Naish, North...? ken winner, don montague (not mit graduates by a long shot)"

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Arh... pretty much all of them !

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One person isn't a team.

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"name a place that has consistent swell and wind at the same time within 1hr of perth and I don't mean slop like your mummas twange."

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Thats just childish mate !

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and your name isn't. This is the internet isn't it? keyboard warrior.

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"I didn't say no science I said not much science."

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Physic's, aerodynamic's, practical knowledge to name a few area invloved !

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Yeah not much still.

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"Each brand has 1 or 2 people designing kites. These guys are windsurfers or kitesurfers with little experience in manufacturing or design and no formal training. They have the same ability as you or me to design a kite and most of the time its like what you say trial and error, not actual thought out design...Now why aren't there proper R&D teams? The margins aint there? Why because anyone can enter the market design a kite and hire a factory. We might get to a stage where kite manufacturing becomes too specialised for the average backyarder to do but we ain't there yet(getting closer with bows though but thats all Legaignoux brothers though, not any manufacturers)."

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Thats a bold claim...

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true though.

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"Now, lets get back to the start of things. You were trying to say the rrd is an alternative to the bow, It's not even close."

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That's not what he said... He was talking about the bar !

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Nah he was well and truly talking about the kite and its depower.

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"Now theres also no places to use this kite around here. So obviously this kite is a **** alternative to the bow not just in Perth but everywhere."

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Tell that to Jake, Ry, Carl, Aron, Ben and the rest of the boys who have ridden some of he most heavyiest wave in kiting to date in WA !

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The majority of people aren't even close to these guys, I admit I'm **** but don't pretend to be anything else. Most people aren't able to travel for hours to get to a place with waves and wind. Not to many people are going to invest $1500+ on a kite they will rarely use or sacrifice performance for the other 95% of the time they use it. WA has some of the best winds and waves in the world and we rarely get great conditions. I doubt the rest of the world does either.

this is fun

phewwww

she slapped me too but i kind of enjoyed it.

carbine your a dickhead. with your oh-so infinite wisdom why dont you as 'another backyarder capable of building and desgning a kite' build your own kite. then take it and jump off a building......you know......test it out

speaking of china.

I reckon a chinese patent free semi illegal built bow might be alright.

I don't think the bows are going to be that refined atm. A chinese knockoff might fly alright.

what do you reckon hunglong?

I really doubt they would have lodged australia under their pct patent application

weirdo

you seem to be the expert i was asking for your opinion.

not sure I want it now, you seem a bit kooky.

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Originally posted by HungLong

Na sorry I've never met kiterdan's mom...

regards browneee

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good one, i'll pay that.

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Originally posted by poor relative

you should both kiss. use your tounges. you might be friends yet?

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sorry twange not twang for me

Wind is coming.