Botany Bay water quality?

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CrashTestOZ
CrashTestOZ
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5 Feb 2013 6:34pm
Recent storms have turned our Botany Bay water color to a yellowish/green/brown concern. I didn't see any swimmers lately. Can anyone comment on the water quality?
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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5 Feb 2013 10:33pm
I wouldn't be in there right at the moment...

Anything within about 3 days of rain leaves all sorts of sewage overflow and other gunk in the bay.

www.environment.nsw.gov.au/beachapp/BotanyBulletin.aspx
CrashTestOZ
CrashTestOZ
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6 Feb 2013 7:21am
Thanks just what I was looking for.
flybywire
flybywire
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6 Feb 2013 1:45pm
just spit....do not swallow.

CrashTestOZ
CrashTestOZ
QLD
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6 Feb 2013 1:31pm
Easier said than done ... when your sinuses are being flushed as you fall off
Phoney
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6 Feb 2013 5:15pm
GalahOnTheBay said...
I wouldn't be in there right at the moment...

Anything within about 3 days of rain leaves all sorts of sewage overflow and other gunk in the bay.

www.environment.nsw.gov.au/beachapp/BotanyBulletin.aspx


Err, your link says Pollution is unlikely for all except Foreshores beach.

Anyway, with this weather and NE blowing how can you turn it down?
cracknback
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7 Feb 2013 11:10pm
Regardless of what the weather has done to the water quality at Botany, I always treat it as suspect and make sure I get a good dose of Listerine when I get home and a good shower - the water there is never really "good" but as Phoney said, when the wind is blowing, you take what you can get.
ericsmith
ericsmith
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8 Feb 2013 9:40pm
Tasted good today
HighPressure
HighPressure
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9 Feb 2013 2:35am
Nowhere is good after a storm...Botany just has a few artificial contributories that lead from industrial plants..No big deal.
ac17
ac17
NSW
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24 Sep 2013 12:36am
HighPressure said..

Nowhere is good after a storm...Botany just has a few artificial contributories that lead from industrial plants..No big deal.


Exactly - Salt Pan Creek, and Georges River to the south west (which flows out into the bay on an outgoing tide) and the Cooks River / Alexandria Canal to the north west of the Bay are all given a "warning" to would be fish and shellfish eaters by the DPI: http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/info/closures/rec-sw-loc/central-coast-index/botany-bay-and-georges-river

I used to stay at a mates in Padstow behind Salt Pan Creek and used to walk along it daily. The run off from the Selleys Factory into the creek is an unnatural green that sits with a sheen on the surface of the water, which has with a noticeable chemical smell on humid days. Older aged locals living in the area for 50 years (prob dead now - due to age, not the water...) told me the water used to be crystal clear and abundant with fish, when they moved there.

There are also leather tanneries in Mascot/Botany that discharge their waste into the Bay. Plus factories further west of Salt Pan eg in Chipping Norton. You only need to drive out there to see what an industrial fest it is (or google map it)

I'm not saying I don't kite in the Bay, I do. But I'm sure there's health risks associated with the water in the Bay that would be present always, and even greater risks on outgoing tides and in certain wind directions. Sometimes the water tastes weird too - even in Kurnell. But I seem to have gotten used to it....

Maybe think of it as a free sterility/contraceptive treatment... The world's over populated anyway. Who needs to breed? lol

Nah, seriously, I'm interested in any studies that have been done. I know there are good publically available studies re our Beaches (eg that found that Malabar is the worst of the lot due to its direction and shape which catches alot of the run off and stuff that blows back in). Be interesting to see if anything has been done at various points of the Bay....

There's some stuff on the left hand side menu of the 'enviro' website in the link provided a few posts back.
One is this one, which shows levels of Enterococci (which sounds painful: Enter-a-cock-eye LOL), which is basically "a subgroup within the fecal streptococcus group" (according to this website: water.epa.gov/type/rsl/monitoring/vms511.cfm)

anyway, the link I'm referring to re our levels in the Bay is here: www.environment.nsw.gov.au/beach/monthlygraphs.htm#southern

But that doesn't address questions about chemical run off from factories and other run off sources....
ac17
ac17
NSW
53 posts
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24 Sep 2013 12:55am
How about some MERCURY (circa 2004): www.dailytelegraph.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

And some more Mercury in 2011: www.smh.com.au/environment/orica-problems-widen-as-mercury-cleanup-at-botany-site-fails-20110830-1jk8p.html

"In 2008 Orica admitted that the clean-up of a plume of various highly toxic chemicals at Port Botany would take more than a century to complete."

Hmmm I hope I'm still kiting in a century....!


... and this circa 2013: A previous Orica employee of 20 years stating that he knowingly leeched kilograms of Mercury into the ground. The company has been operating (and spilling Merc into the ground which leeches into the Bay) since the 1940s.... www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/mercury-often-washed-into-bay-former-ici-boss-says-20130127-2dez2.html

There is currently an Independent Review underway that should report its findings publicly either this month or the next:
www.epa.nsw.gov.au/resources/oricabotanycttee/20130137indrevmercoricabotany.pdf


Makes me wonder WHAT ELSE is in the water....

for now, "spit, not swallow" as was said previously....

"The ground water which flows into Botany Bay has been poisoned by chemicals that have been linked to cancer - the worst contamination of its kind on record in Australia...." (www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1298618.htm)
ac17
ac17
NSW
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24 Sep 2013 1:20am
The more I look the more I find - maybe just best to not fall in...!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hughesdarren/Botany_Bay_Groundwater_Plume

Chemical Spill in Prospect Creek (Georges River) in 2002: Hard to find anything about it, other than on forums: eg www.fishraider.com.au/topic/49793-chemical-spill-in-major-georges-river-tributary/

A Memo to the Public Issued by NSW Health (2010): www.sswahs.nsw.gov.au/mediacentre/mediareleases/2010/100709.pdf

A Jan 2013 chemical risk again at Prospect: www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/toxic-water-leaks-into-underground-20130105-2c9y5.html

jordangirdis
jordangirdis
NSW
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24 Sep 2013 7:55am
The bay is cleaner now than it ever has been, and the vast amount of wildlife we see kiting shows that. I wouldn't swim deep up any of the creeks and rivers linked to the bay - more because of the shall we say larger wildlife, but the bay itself is flushed out on a regular basis - it isn't far from the sea.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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24 Sep 2013 3:31pm
In the past 5 years I've had a bout of Enterococci (or similar) and also another nasty known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blastocystis.

Both cured with heavy antibiotics after 1-2 months mild squirts growing to daily solid gut ache, bloating, gas, plus blood & mucous coming out where it shouldn't.

Edit - 2nd one, interestingly, if not diagnosed properly is often mis-diagnosed as IBS and the poor beggar is left to suffer and try all sorts of diets etc when a good dose of the right Antibiotics would sort it in a week.

Both times docs have essentially asked 'do you lick your poo?'. (kinda... poetic licence taken there)

Given that the answer is no, I have very good hygiene thank you very much, then in my mind the most likely culprit is Moreton bay water. I no longer go out in it for at least 2 weeks after heavy rain, give it time to flush out.
ac17
ac17
NSW
53 posts
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25 Sep 2013 9:35am
Woah....! That sux man!

BTW: Moreton Bay = Brisbane?

I think this is an interesting topic given that when in the water you can be in there for 3+ hours at a time, 3+ times a week...
CrashTestOZ
CrashTestOZ
QLD
76 posts
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26 Sep 2013 8:35am
Lol and here I was concerned with the rain runoff water making the Bay's water color brown :) maybe we should be kiting in HazMat suits ;)
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