2010 North Evo v 2010 Cab Switch for a newb?

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watkins
watkins
SA
10 posts
SA, 10 posts
8 Sep 2010 1:53pm
Hi, I'm a newb, with a background of a bit of surfing and wakeboarding (intermediate I guess) and looking at buying a kite. I'm about 90kg and will be riding in SA (Nothern Yorke Peninsula) in moderate winds up to about 20 knots (I'm guessing). I've come up with a couple of options, but can't decide.

A 2010 North Evo 12m or a 2010 Cab Switch 12m. I'm a bit concerned that the North would be a bit quick for a beginner and that it can't be fully depowered and so be a bit dangerous? Is that right or have I been misled? Also read about the North valve issue which concerns me but I'm a southerner so I should be OK?

Would the Cab Switch be a bit slower and better for me? Or would the Evo be better with more low end power? I don't know. I like the North brand and I know the Switch is very popular, but don't want to be like everyone else but the North valve issue.......

Could I get some opinions?
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
8 Sep 2010 8:39pm
Never even seen and issue with North valves and it gets damn hot in Perth. Have you taken lessons? It's a good chance to help you gain a little insight into what you are looking for. And it's kind of a must for you saftey. I wouldn't worry about the speed as any 12m is not the quickest thing accross the sky.

Why the Evo and not the Rebel? I've never flown an evo but the Rebel is one of the most popular kites out there. I can't really comment on the Switchblade either. They are pretty well reviewed.
watkins
watkins
SA
10 posts
SA, 10 posts
8 Sep 2010 11:21pm
I was keen on the Rebel, but my loal store has a demo Evo for sale and the sales guy told me that they are very similar. The Evo might be better for unhooked tricks later on.

I haven't had lessons yet, just getting taught by my brother-in-law who is a competent kiteboarder at the moment. Have enquired about lessons but am waiting for the weather to warm up at the instructors' request.

Perhaps I should wait until then to buy gear, but I am going ok learning to kite with my brother-in-laws SS Rev 11mm - just don't want to use his gear all the time.
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
9 Sep 2010 8:47am
Hey. All the problems I have had with valves leaking or dropping off have been directly related to kites being left in a car on a hot day. Not just one brand either as I have had problems with slingshot, naish and liquid force.
I know you have not mentioned any of these brands, but it gets that hot inside a car that it would be the same for any brand. Lesson learnt for me and only take one kite with me now.
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
9 Sep 2010 3:16pm
Which part of the YP are you from, will you be heading down chasing waves?

2 kites that seem to work well with learners are deltas and SLE kites. Modern kites no matter which brand should have enough depower for you. Seeing as you have had experience with SS kites the rally could be another good option.

Over in whyalla we see most learners on FOne kites and they do well, most never outgrow the kite. The other popular kites for learners are Best kites like the Kahoona which is a great kite at a cheap price. One of my favorite SLE kites last year was the nobile 555 the wind range of that kite was incredible a 10m could definitely be a one kite quiver for someone 70-80kgs. The north rebel is a nice kite, but im not 100% confident that it is for the learners especially self taught, all the issues people have with them seem to be caused by the ridder meaning you will need some experience and advice from people who have them, ive seen a lot inverting when there flown wrong. The evo being a delta kite should be ok looks very high performance when i saw one but being delta shaped it should have heaps of depower. The cab SB is a very popular kite in adelaide a majority of people ride them definitely learner friendly, relaunch isn't as good as a delta but ok.

Don't pass up the idea of getting a good second hand kite, sometimes a first kite can be abused by you and ultimately destroyed, damaged etc. Kites are tough but i have seen a lot of learners park them in trees, carparks, get smashed on rocks or dragged along shells or glass. So why it may seem like a good idea to get something new so it lasts a long time it is not always the case.

It's a great spot to kite over there at YP i will definitely be spending some time there this summer, i hope you get up and ridding soon, get a lesson if you can it will be worth it. Good luck.
watkins
watkins
SA
10 posts
SA, 10 posts
9 Sep 2010 11:32pm
Hey Waxman, I read one of your previous posts yesterday and saw that you used to live at Moonta. I live on a farm between Moonta and Wallaroo and have been kiting down the northern end of the Moonta bay near the lighthouse (behind my farm - I can check the sheep on the way!). This would be a good spot on a summer seabreeze do you think? I'd like to think that I might ride in the waves at some stage but not until I am very confident I think.

Today I went to Adelaide to look at the demo 2010 12m Evo. It was hardly used but it had a big repair in the canopy and they wanted 1400 for it, so I bought a new (unused) 09 12m Rebel for not much more. I don't know if I have done the right thing. Relaunch not as easy with the Rebel, it's a year older, it has the 5 line system. Hope I get used to it, but will look into what you said about them inverting, Waxman. I just figured that they are good kites and being unused I might get an extra season out of it compared to the Evo, or it may be worth more to trade / sell if I want to upgrade in a couple of years?

Like you said Waxman, I was going to get a second hand one because I'll be crashing it a lot, but then the Rebel I bought wasn't much more expensive than a good second hand one.

Looking forward to lessons.
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
10 Sep 2010 12:22am
Dont be to concerned, the rebel is a good kite we have a half a dozen blokes in Whyalla that fly them, and only a couple have had issues.

The Rebels are well built and you should get at least 3 seasons out of it.

I have looked at kiteing out towards that point north of the moonta jetty, but access to the beach seems limited now, back when i lived there you could drive on to the beach.

I normally kite one bay south of the moonta bay jetty right near the old pipeline, the wind is normaly cross shore and a bit scetchy, so it would definitely be better around where you go. Just north of the jetty is good but the odd rock can be bad.

I spend most of my holidays down at moonta, so hope to see you around.
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
10 Sep 2010 12:41am
Just be careful with the rebel while you are learning, the wind around moonta can pick up to 25-30kts with a good seabreeze. The 12m is a little large for those conditions so just take your time and only go out if it feels safe. I would look at a 8 or 9m kite to complete the quiver in the future once you start to get in to it but for now 14-22kts the should be manageable for your gear.

With the 09 12m i think they ended up doing a mod to it to stop them inverting, there was a line that went from the 5th line where it v's out near the kite up to the point where you attach the pump in the centre of the kite. When you get the chance to check it out see if they have included one. Most people get away without the extra line but for a learner it would be good to prevent inverting if you can. It may pay to drop Kitehard a pm to ask him, he knows a lot about the rebels. He is always on the forum and is very helpful.
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