8m kite - big enough for learning?

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joea
joea
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
26 Mar 2013 6:55pm
I was out today in 15-20 knots with an 8m Catalyst. I'm a beginner (60kg) and spent the whole time attempting waterstarts. It felt like there was never enough power to get me planing. The one time I stayed on the board, I was sining the kite really hard. And even then I sank down after about 10 seconds.

I'm suspect the problem is mostly my technique. What I want to know is whether I'd learn better with a bigger kite. Would a 10m or 12m get me planing more easily? I guess I could just wait for bigger winds, but that won't be until next season!

Joe

P.S. I have a 133x39cm board. I once tried a 145x45, but it felt very cumbersome and kept wanting to nose-dive.
BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
26 Mar 2013 9:03pm
Kite size is going to be very dependant on where you live and the local conditions.
If you were in Brisbane I would say 8m is too small for your weight as a beginner.

Beginners tend to lack the skills to get a small kite up and running and tend to have better success with some extra grunt.
bene313
bene313
WA
1347 posts
WA, 1347 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:05pm
8m cat for 60kg on tt should be good for say 20-30kn. 15-20 will not be enough if you are learning (IMHO).

I had a 8m and 12m cat when I was learning. This was a few seasons ago, but the design didn't change much until the release of the 2013. I was on the 12m to 20kn then I would change to the 8m (although I was at the time 75-80kg).
Rodno
Rodno
32 posts
32 posts
26 Mar 2013 9:09pm
For me on 10m as a 75kg rider, 18-25 knots are ideal. 8m is good for 22-30 knots, 12m for 13-20 knots.

It's far easier to fly a tad bit big kite for the conditions as you can simply park and ride, which will allow you to learn the basics and going unwind.

Since different kites of the same size have different power I'd say base it on your experience in your local spot with your kite. If you normally have to sine the kite, you want a size bigger.
wave6ft
wave6ft
QLD
146 posts
QLD, 146 posts
27 Mar 2013 3:12pm
I have not been kiting long I'm around 74kg and I find I can do.a lot better.on a12 m than on a ten in fifteen to twenty ish notts
joea
joea
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
27 Mar 2013 4:00pm
Thanks - looks like I need a bigger kite.

So, would I be better off with a 10/12m Catalyst or a 11m Edge? I've searched the forums and there are mixed messages about whether the Edge is OK for beginners:

Good: designed to fly well in light winds
Good: easiest kite for going upwind
Good: pulls nicely for waterstarts
Bad: pushing out bar won't slow you down if you're already going too fast
Bad: hard to relaunch
Eaglelad
Eaglelad
VIC
119 posts
VIC, 119 posts
27 Mar 2013 7:54pm
Technique is alot of it, but if you're underpowered all the time you will never really learn it.

I'm 75kg and have an 11m switchblade and 8m cat 2013. love the cat now (I purchased it 2nd) but if it was my 1 kite quiver I would be ready to burn it!

the difficult thing is that going anymore than 3m difference in kite size is going to leave a gap (or no crossover wind strength) where one kite is underpowered and one flagging. but having a 10m as your biggest kite in a 2 kite quiver isn't the best solution either ( even though you are light)

I ride a strapless surf board when it gets light on my 11m which gives a bit more bottom end.

Sorry about the novel
bene313
bene313
WA
1347 posts
WA, 1347 posts
27 Mar 2013 6:25pm
joea said...

So, would I be better off with a 10/12m Catalyst or a 11m Edge?


I would suggest staying with the Catalyst. Size is a tough call and depends on your location. 8/12 will give a large wind range but you'll be missing the sweet spot that the 10 will provide. 8/10 will give you the sweet spot of the 10 but you will find on some days you are still underpowered.

Depends on your location.
raffaeu
raffaeu
195 posts
195 posts
11 May 2013 3:40am
Same for me, I learned with my North Neo 9mt and 12mt. I used the 12 most of the time, even when it goes a bit over 20 knots. If it's stable over 20 I go for the 9mt. My wife attended to learn kiting with my Neo 7mt (she is 64kg) and she barely achieved a water start with 15/20 knots
I would go for a 12mt and then buy a 9mt for the strongest days.
Yves
Yves
WA
134 posts
WA, 134 posts
11 May 2013 9:14am
Ride a 9 hybrid in from 15 knots on, I'm 70kg and on a 130 x 40 TT (1 kite, 1 board quiver, 15-25 kts). For OP I think he could start practicing on a s/h 10 then dump it for a 8 as a one kite quiver.
ZaZz
ZaZz
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
11 May 2013 1:13pm
I don't think you need a bigger kite IMO...
8m in 15-20 knots is big enough at 60kg, even when learning. Maybe it would be easier with a 10m...well
But it sure is easier when you're (over)powered. You don't need to work as much and you're lack of technique won't really shows...but it won't help you in the long run...
It's all about technique. Do more waterstarts. How you edge and position your board is really important. It's normal to dive the kite hard when waterstarting. Don't sheet the bar too much, it will choke the kite. You'll see...you'll be up and kiting in no time!
I learned with my 8 m in 15-25 knots and I never felt I needed a bigger kite...only a smaller one for >25 knots.
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