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Wobbs1
Wobbs1
QLD
14 posts
QLD, 14 posts
15 Feb 2012 9:48am
Howdy

New Years resolution - learn to Kiteboard!

Had my first lesson and loved it. But am very nervous about the kites power and knowing how to tell if I am in trouble - ie. releasing the bar and knowing the danger signs.

Pity these things dont come with an ABORT ABORT or TO LOW TERRAIN alarm....lol

Being a chick - I know I gotta MAN UP.... but was wondering how long other boarders took to get the feel for their kite and what (if any) signs I can look for so I know when to release ;p

Ta Much

GJOchoa
GJOchoa
SA
108 posts
SA, 108 posts
15 Feb 2012 10:52am
Hey there!!! Another noobie here :D I tried to stay around people and don't go into deep...
I don't know how long does it take to get the feel for the kite. All I know is since the very first lesson I felt like the kite was talking to me and telling me what to do. It is a weird feeling hard for me to explain :P
I just release the bar when I feel the kite is pulling me (really really hard) in a direction I don't want to go and when I don't want it to pull me... Your ABORT ABORT, TERRAIN TERRAIN alarm should be when the kite is doing something that you don't want it to do. Just push the bar up and keep steering in the direction you want and that should be enough... :D
I don't think you have to "MAN UP", women bring grace to sports in their own way. Another member of this community gave me one of the best advice, do like Nike motto "Just do it!!!", go for it and practice :D
Another thing that I've found with kitesurf is that the community is really strong, friendly and helpful. Just go to the beach when conditions are right and all the other kiteboarders will help you for sure, whether you ask or not. If you're doing something completely out of line someone will approach you and help you out...
Like a said another noob here :P just my humble opinion and short experience...
Keep enjoying the wind!!!
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
15 Feb 2012 12:01pm
I thought I had it by the balls after kiting for 3 months then got taught a lesson, then 6 months and also taught a lesson.

Been kiting three years now, feel i have pretty good control but still get humbled.
Basically if your not pushing into these "lessons" your probably not progressing either.

Get your flying skills up and if ever in doubt about your situation, let go of the bar and if its still tit's up use your safety => Safety's.

Get out there and enjoy.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
15 Feb 2012 4:49pm
I've been kiting 9 years and still learning. Maybe I'm a slow learner.

Get as much time on the water as you can. Ask questions of more advanced kiters as well. I think good kiteboarding is 90% kite flying skills.

Important things to know -
Learn to body drag upwind. You will need this skill many, many times. Don't wear a board leash, they are very dangerous.
Learn how to self rescue and when to self rescue.
Learn to relaunch your kite quickly.
Understand the conditions before you go out. If it's straight onshore don't go out untill you can go upwind efficiently. Get to know the tides.
Look what others are flying. If everyones on 7m kites don't put up you 12m.
Don't go out if its too strong for you or you have doubts.
Don't let other newbees or other inexperienced people launch your kite. Ugly things happen when someone sends your kite from an inappropriate position. I would rather self launch than have someone I don't know launch my kite.
Keep your gear in good condition.

You ask "When to release?" Generally, letting go of the bar and sitting in the water if you feel panicked is a good idea. Modern kites quickly relaunch if you dump them. If you find yourself going too fast push the bar out and sit down. A more advanced move is to bear off downwind to take some of the tension off the kite, reestablish your edge and resume on your old tack.

A couple of scary things that can happen on the water.

One of the worst things that can happen on the water is having a stearing line get caught on your harness or other inappropriate object and sending the kite into a spiral. Once the lines twist around themselves several lines depower won't work nor will flagging the kite. At this point you would need to ditch the lot before you hit the beach.

Also, treat the lines with the utmost respect. A line caught around your arm or finger and an out of control kite acts like a running saw. It quickly cuts deep.

That said, worse things happen on the land. Water is the safest place to be. After launching get onto the water quickly. Don't stand around on the beach looking up at your kite. It's a dangerous place to be.

My intention is not to scare you out of kiting but to develop a healthy respect for the tiger you have by the tail.
Wobbs1
Wobbs1
QLD
14 posts
QLD, 14 posts
16 Feb 2012 12:57pm
Thanks for the responses guys :) I read them all about 10 times lol It helps heaps to hear from other boarders ;p

I am booked for my next lesson tommorrow :)

Been on my trainer kite the last few days, practicing everything I learnt in my first lesson plus my figure 8's etc.

I think tommoz I will get the trainer out on the beach again just before my lesson.... have a play so that I have the movements in my headspace before I jump on the Kite. ;p

1st lesson we did body dragging, so I think we might be trying to get on the board for the first time. So I am looking forward to that :)

If my instructor is encouraged by my progress tommoz and thinks I have the ability to continue with the sport - I think I might buy my own gear so that I can use it in future lessons and also practice more, more more more....

Am getting antsy here, looking out the window and seeing the trees blowing - if only I was good enough to hit the surf after work...lol

Thanks again for replying - it kind of helps with the nerves
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
16 Feb 2012 11:06am
Hi Woobs1, some great advice in here already.

Being too nervous as a learner can be dangerous and is probably the main reason why people give up kiteboarding in the first place. Being very nervous as you describe can cause you to unconsciously react with bad habits like pulling the bar in all the way, over-steering the kite, etc.

The main thing for anyone learning to kite is to have realistic expectations and more importantly to quickly identify, respect and follow your OWN learning pace. There is no shame in having a slower “below average” learning pace. If anything this will make you a more knowledgeable and progressive kiteboarder in the future.

The key element here is to work on calming down and feeling more comfortable with the kite. This can be done by using smaller kites, shorter lines and using them in lighter winds as many times as you need to start feeling more relaxed. Even using a small trainer kite could be a good idea considering your current state of mind flying the bigger kites.

Unfortunately, most lessons are being catered towards average and fast pace learners. Ultimately, I encourage you to continue lessons, but you need to find an instructor who can quickly understand your learning difficulties and adjust the lesson accordingly. Probably best for you to find a female instructor who, just like yourself, was feeling very nervous when she began kiting. There is no point in the instructor fast forwarding your progression at this stage; this will just make you feel more nervous and less competent. Sadly, this happens too often…

Make sure you get comfortable letting go of the bar and also releasing the safety system at any time, etc. Basically all of KIT33R's advice. This should be done during lessons ideally, with smaller than usual sizes of kites, shorter lines, in less than 25 knots.

Hope this helps
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
16 Feb 2012 11:33am
Wobbs1 said...


1st lesson we did body dragging, so I think we might be trying to get on the board for the first time. So I am looking forward to that :)



Before you get on the board, make sure you can do all of KIT33R's advice + recover your board when lost upwind of you. All this should be ultimately achieved without much (if not any) guidance from your instructor. Trying water starts in the second lesson is reserved for fast pace learners only who can already: self-rescue in deep water, water relaunch quickly in deep water in different kites positions, body drag upwind, recover a board, body drag with the board, fly the kite with one hand steadily, etc.

If you are being put on the board too soon and find yourself still being too nervous, crashing your kite frequently and relying on constant non-stop guidance from your instructor, you are being taught too fast. Remember your ultimate goal should be to be a safe and independent kiteboarder AFTER your lessons. If you constantly rely on the instructor's guidance during the lesson, you may be competent during the lesson, but think about what happens after the lesson when on your own...

As a general rule, I think fast pace students with board sports experience can get away with about 4 to 5 hours of lessons. Average students need about 6 to 8 hours and slower learners, at least 7 hours. Most "average paced" and "slower paced" students won't necessarily ride great after a couple of lessons but they should be safe and independent to practice on their own.
jwins
jwins
VIC
28 posts
VIC, 28 posts
16 Feb 2012 5:43pm
One of the worst things that can happen on the water is having a stearing line get caught on your harness or other inappropriate object and sending the kite into a spiral. Once the lines twist around themselves several lines depower won't work nor will flagging the kite. At this point you would need to ditch the lot before you hit the beach.


Well said, all of it, but I particularly liked this bit, as it happened to me just a couple of days ago. Prior to that, I had been unaware of this little loophole in our safety systems.

As I was trying to sort out what had happened and to untangle my lines from around my bar, my kite started to loop. Seeing this, I quickly pulled my safety, instintively expecting the bar to sail away from me and the kite to flag. When my bar stayed in the same place, I began to get a bit concerned, as I hadn't really drilled for the "ditch the lot" scenario on this kite. Fortunately, I was in the shallow, and the kite did somehow come to a rest (lull in the wind perhaps), so I made a run for it, grabbed it and spent 45 min sorting out my lines on shore.

I know how to ditch my kite, and I did get it sorted in time, just in case the worst happened, but I didn't want to turn my kite into a missile so close to the beach unless I absolutely had to. Still, I got lucky on this one...

The moral is: Know your safety systems, all of them, and drill yourself on them, so that you don't have to think when it all goes tits up. You may not have time to think...
juicerider
juicerider
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
16 Feb 2012 2:45pm
Wobbs1 said...
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Pity these things dont come with an ABORT ABORT or TO LOW TERRAIN alarm....lol



Like your use of some aircraft oral warning; these will all come with practice and once you've hear the Abort, and To Low Terrain warnings in you head you can also look out for; "Don't Sink, Don't Sink"; "Traffic, Traffic" and then there's the "TCAS climb" which is shortly followed by the reversal "Descend, Descend Now". Then once you have enough speed "V1 ROTATE"
Im sure this is no help at all, but have fun
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
16 Feb 2012 6:42pm
Lots of good advice so far.

The most important thing to be a happy kiter is not board skills, its kite skills.

Having better kite skills will make getting up on the board much easier.

Bodydragging allows you to develop the kite skills and you can also learn how to relaunch the kite in deep water and deal with all the things that occur when you fall off the board, so dont think that you have to get on the board in a hurry to progress well.
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
17 Feb 2012 12:14am
Wobbs1,

Welcome to our marvellous sport. No need to MAN UP, its all about technique. There are many accomplished female kiters

Here is a handbook I have written with information and tips for people interested in kitesurfing, and also for those already kiting kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/

Kites are scary for a while. If you fly a small trainer in lighter wind you can develop your kite handling skills without worrying about the power of a full size kite.

Keep at it. Persistence pays off.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
17 Feb 2012 8:36am
Since this thread has developed plenty of interest can I get in a plug for the "Code of Conduct" we developed a few years back. Also, please join AKSA for third party insurance and much, much more.

http://www.nswkba.com.au/coc

It will help new guys, and some not so new guys, understand safety, kiting rules and general good advice.
squidbert
squidbert
QLD
19 posts
QLD, 19 posts
17 Feb 2012 8:33am
Kites are intimidating for most peolple first few times. Lots of power in a 12 meter in 20+ kn winds. dont do what i did and search kiteboarding accidents on you tube before you start.
Wobbs1
Wobbs1
QLD
14 posts
QLD, 14 posts
17 Feb 2012 9:46am
squidbert said...

Kites are intimidating for most peolple first few times. Lots of power in a 12 meter in 20+ kn winds. dont do what i did and search kiteboarding accidents on you tube before you start.


Oh SNAP!!.... That is so what I did.....lmao.

But have since learnt not to do such things....
Wobbs1
Wobbs1
QLD
14 posts
QLD, 14 posts
17 Feb 2012 9:50am
Peterc150 said...

Wobbs1,

Welcome to our marvellous sport. No need to MAN UP, its all about technique. There are many accomplished female kiters

Here is a handbook I have written with information and tips for people interested in kitesurfing, and also for those already kiting kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/

Kites are scary for a while. If you fly a small trainer in lighter wind you can develop your kite handling skills without worrying about the power of a full size kite.

Keep at it. Persistence pays off.


Thanks for the link

I have been studying my training videos trying to expand my knowledge. Am sitting here studying wind at the moment.

I need to know it all...a bit of COD I think...I get obsessed and have to know everything....lol

Again, thanks for the link and advice... really appreciate it

Wobbs1
Wobbs1
QLD
14 posts
QLD, 14 posts
17 Feb 2012 10:02am
Just wanted to thank everyone again for the replies

I am feeling much more comfortable with tonights lesson.

After reading your posts, re-watching my training videos, spending more time on my trainer etc etc.... I am starting to grasp all the concepts.

Studying and flying my trainer has taken a different feel - since my last lesson.

I understand all the concepts in the videos more and I know what to practice with my kite now etc etc... I can see a little lightbulb above my head switch on..

And I have decided that there is no way I am giving up on this sport - am gonna practice my butt off and take my time with my lessons as so many of you suggested!

Gonna body drag until the cows come home if I have too.... whatever it takes

And tonight I am definately going to ask my trainer if we could spend some more time going over the safety aspects and releases....get a bit of muscle memory going

Oh - and will be reading this forum all the time - there is so much info and being I dont know anyone else who kiteboards - its been AWESOME!!!

Thanks again everyone!! You all rock!



jwins
jwins
VIC
28 posts
VIC, 28 posts
17 Feb 2012 12:04pm
You're most welcome. I love your enthusiasm! Learning can be frustrating sometimes, but if you hang with it and keep doing what you're doing, you will get there for sure.

Not to bang on about this too much, but it's fantastic that you're going to go over the safety systems with your instructor. Just know that, when it comes time to get your own gear, the safety systems could be different (even reversed, as with my Ozone and my Cabrinha) from what you trained on. Make sure that you go through everything with the seller to make sure that you know what to do if the worst happens.

(The shop where I bought my Cabrinha told me that the second release was for "when your kite gets wrapped around the propeller of a passing ship and you need to ditch the kite." I was told that I would probably never use it, so I didn't really drill on it. Big mistake, as you can see from my post above. You don't necessarily need to get tangled up with anyone or anything else to find yourself in a situation where your primary release and flagging line don't work...)

Anyway, sermon over. Get out there and have fun! It's a fantastic sport.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
17 Feb 2012 12:48pm
Wobbs1 said...



Oh - and will be reading this forum all the time - there is so much info and being I dont know anyone else who kiteboards - its been AWESOME!!!

Thanks again everyone!! You all rock!



Don't worry Wobbs you'll soon make a whole lot of new friends.

Don't forget to check out http://www.seqka.com.au/ for info on your local association. They have many social events and other useful links.
arwilson
arwilson
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
26 Feb 2012 8:31am
wow - lots of great advice and tips .. and heres my brief input.



* don't rush the learning. If can can pull off figure 8's, the trainer has taught you all it can.
* First skill - can you tell from which way the wind is blowing ?

* Kiting is sailing with a horizontal sail, using exactly the same principles as all in wings (lift/drag etc) ... so you know where the wind is comming from, so in what directions can you expect to sail to ???? .. and how do you get "upwind" ???

Only then;

* From a big open beach, spend the time (6hours plus ?) learning to fly the kite at the front of the window from one side to the other - you want control - touch the sand with the wingtip, then go over your head and touch the other side.... then progress from two hands to one hand, same routine.

* Practice the emergency procedures. Kites older than ~2006 can be death traps.

* AFTER that get in the (flat) water and body drag (4hours ?)- you must learn to go UPwind - ONE hand on the bar, the other extended in front of you ... body/legs stretched out like a pencil, lying on side, spare arm extended out - change direction 180degrees (change hands) head back the way you came .... find reference points on the shore so you know you are going upwind.
* if you are confident in that, launch on the beach and body drag in the surf ....you will quickly learn what you skills you have yet to master ! .. but perservre .. have the courage to get crashed about, spun around, upside down ... and still control the kite - in a couple of hours, you will have sorted this out and being in control, be really enjoying it !
* then get on a board ! ... but give yourself ~12hours to get this sorted (unless you have a long, shallow downwide area to ride, in which case you will be up very quickly).
* Success = leaving the launch zone and returning to the same spot.


.... but of course you already kown all this because you are working with a good instructor, and have a couple of mates who keep a close eye on you, yes ?!
... and a couple of pertinent tips
* DON"T fight the kite ... it will always move to the front of the window, and go where it wants to (where is that wind comming from !) .. so let go of the bar and see what happens

* once on the board... get speed before direction

Happy and safe (to yourself and others) kiting



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