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Sparky394
Sparky394
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
14 Sep 2013 11:13pm
Today I had a extremely bad day.
The wind was strong 20+ knots. I went to go,out on my 12 mtre as its the only kite I have. I knew it might b a struggle but there were others out on similar size kites and bigger.
I went to launch my kite with some help from a fellow kiteboarder. Unfortunately the kite appeared to be filled by the wind so I gave the signal to let go. Somehow the kite shifted sideways when it was let go and moved straight towards the power zone. I got dragged about 15-20 metres when it clicked in to let go of the bar (my first instict was to attempt to steer it out)and the kite crashed into some near by bushes. My fault as I don't think the kite was quite right when I gave the signal.
The gentleman that had assisted with launch came straight over to help plus another kiwi. The two helped me get the kite out and reset up.
I was very embarrassed but then also very appreciative I am in a sport where so many people who don't know each are always willing to stop and give others a hand.
My session didn't go to long as when I got out on the water my chicken loop came loose and I had to use the ER as I could not depower. I kind of figured I'd call it a day after that.
Lessons learnt if you are new to the sport and the wind is at the top of the wind range for your kite get a smaller kite or don't go out.
Thanks to the two gents that helped out. As much as I have a bruised ego it's good to know there are good people around to help one another.
speller
speller
QLD
131 posts
QLD, 131 posts
14 Sep 2013 11:35pm
If you were around Sandgate/Brighton today, there were some serious bullet gusts coming through, which wouldn't have helped you.
LostinSpace
LostinSpace
QLD
388 posts
QLD, 388 posts
15 Sep 2013 1:13am
I have seen this happen many times of Kiter's kites falling back in the wind window on launching and it then roll over on it's wingtip once or twice and then cross into the hot or danger power zone. The reason for this is when you have your kite set level with the side of the wind window where your canopy of your kite snaps or goes taught and you then try to launch from there, your kite generally has not got quite enough forward speed to defeat any slight lulls in gusts while you are trying to launch. The solution to this is when you are level at the side of the wind window you then need to walk approximately 4 to 6 paces further up wind so that the person holding your kite on the beach is slightly struggling to hold your kite as it wants to fly forward (this means you now have your kite slightly positioned into the power zone, if that makes any sense), have a quick check of everything around you for the all clear, ensure no lines are tangled, your red side of the bar is on the left, your chicken loop is secure and then give your kite holder person the thumb up and away you go. Launch your kite up steady and controlled, making sure that you had your bar facing roughly parallel to the leading edge of your kite as you steer your kite up to 12 o'clock, this allows for having maximum leverage and control on steering the kite up. Do not have your bar sideways facing to the leading edge of your kite when launching your kite up as I see a lot of people do this also. Holding the bar sideways makes one outside steering line more slack than the other one which again can cause the wind to force your kite to stall backwards or sideways as you put it and then rolling or falling into the power zone. It is important to get this right as things can go drastically wrong if you don't which I imagine you experienced today. Hope this is of some assistance. Cheers and good winds
Gilly3
Gilly3
QLD
800 posts
QLD, 800 posts
15 Sep 2013 7:58am
There is also the option of depowering the kite for launch, then once ur out on the water, power that sucker back up for maximum boooooost.

And always remember that a bad day on the water is still far better than a good day at work
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
15 Sep 2013 6:32am
Sparky394... Seems that even when you knew the kite was too big you still proceeded to go out. You are not the first learner to kook out and you won't be the last.

Next time take your Medicare card with you to Make it easier on everyone when you get slammed into the dunes and need the ambo's to cart you off to hospital.

If you want to be "that" guy then let me know which beach your heading to and I'll bring the go pro. Also will bring a few beers and BBQ chair and make a day of it
Sparky394
Sparky394
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
15 Sep 2013 10:47am
Fair call, needless to say a order for a smaller kite has been made.
I got over eager and paid the price. I'm just glad no one else was hurt due to my kook effort.
Lostinspace good advice I reckon you hit the nail on the head and will follow the recommendation next time i am launching. I did have the depower pulled in about 50% but appreciate you mentioning it Gilly. Hopefully other people can learn from this also as I know I did.
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
15 Sep 2013 9:21am
Depower kite 100 percent before launch, power up at 12 once it's up in the air.

Check QR and line before launching.

Look at the sizes of kites that are up. If everyone is on 7s or 8s, and your putting up a 12 then there is a sign your on the incorrect kite
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
15 Sep 2013 12:07pm
Unless you weigh what I do, a 12 is too much - especially if it's cool, dense air. 20 knots gusting over, *I'd* be on a 10.

It's NOT a depower system - it's a TRIM system. Should the kite alter it's AoA sufficiently, it's going to have the same amount of power no matter what your trim strap is set at.

Do NOT trim your kite for launch - you loose steering response. Instead, make sure you have the right size kite for your weight and the conditions.

THEN with good launch technique, you don't need to meddle with the trim. If you only go by what the kite looks like, you'll repeat this mistake over and over

Dragged 15-20m do you know what's under the sand? Where was your QR reflex?!?! Your instructor needs a smack in the cock.

If you have to trim your kite that much, you're over-powered - get a smaller kite. You'll boost bigger on the right-sized kite anyway.

This is also why I reckon a big, lightwind board should be a first purchase - you can go out on a smaller kite and coast through the lulls a bit better. . . .
Nani
Nani
QLD
6 posts
QLD, 6 posts
15 Sep 2013 4:18pm
I did 15-20 after a steering line was caught on the wingtip, I had the bar out the whole time and after the first few meters I was on my stomach.

Just pure luck I didn't hit anything solid or anyone else.

Just before my launch it felt a bit wrong, the kite was pushing so I'd step back downwind and so forth.
I'd passed through the noob stage where my mind was on my quick release and falsely thought I could handle any situation.
Whenever my spider sense starts tingling nowadays my hand is a split second from the QR.

Always be ultra cautious if your launcher flips your kite as a line or bridles can get caught on tips and struts so be double sure everything's right.

Never wing it, especially if you have other objects or people downwind of you.

If someone comes and gives you some advice when you are launching suck it up as they are trying to help you and protect the local (yours and theirs) spot.

I've gently approached a few people about to do ****ty launches and most of them are like zombies totally fixated on the goal and won't listen to advice.

As a noob, the people at your local can be a great resource to get you out and having fun, a bit of humility will get you a long way.
Sparky394
Sparky394
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
15 Sep 2013 10:45pm
Thanks Nani, appreciate you letting me know of your experience. It's good to know others are around that have gone through a similar experience.
I can only say it was a lesson learnt. My hand will be more ready for the QR but also concentrate on getting the launch right. being on the newer side i feel bad about taking someone else's time up when launching but realise that is a mistake as you tend to rush things. So any noobs reading this take your time!
It was shorter than a 15 mtr drag going back to the site today to revisit it and get back on the horse. But the fact is I still didn't act appropriately for the situation. It would be a cop out for me to blame an instructor. Possibly more emphasis should be placed on this area when teaching but at the end of he day it is on me.

I agree about listening to local advice and if it is thrown my way it's always appreciated and welcomed.

Kamikaze you are the first person that has said not to trim the kite for launch. I have had instructors say to do this along with several other kite boarders I have spoken with. Is this a common thought?
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
20 Sep 2013 7:38am
DO NOT TRIM KITE FOR LAUNCH!
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
20 Sep 2013 6:16am
Yep don't listen to NoBs if you trim 100 percent you might as well just sit on the beach and watch and as for powering up at 12 well that's just another nightmare waiting to happen,I've never depowered on launch and never will ,when your launching the person holding the kite should be able to feather it with one hand if not your in the wrong position,once launched keep the kite at 45 and adjust your depower then if you need to.
Have seen tons of newbs getting slammed on the launch due to being in the wrong position and being too depowered so they have no steering response ,or cranking their kite up to 12 and powering themselves up just as a gust hits and launching into the dunes, the most common though is too far forward in the window with the kite and the launcher releases ,kite rolls and powers off at full noise the opposite way ,not a good look.
Also if poss always launch assisted with the kite in the seaward position ,I see so many newbs set up and have their kites already hard up against the dunes so there's no margin for error.
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
20 Sep 2013 11:16am
Fine,

I take back my comment.. Dont depower your kite on launching.

For the record I would like you to FULLY POWER UP THE KITE as per above comments.

Safety first.
snowsurfmatt
snowsurfmatt
NSW
96 posts
NSW, 96 posts
20 Sep 2013 2:55pm
10 switchblade little guy
14 rpm me middle guy
18 crossbow lw big guy

wouldnt like to judge being a beginner off those kites in the air choosing what to pump up on a 20knot day
LOL
snowsurfmatt
snowsurfmatt
NSW
96 posts
NSW, 96 posts
20 Sep 2013 2:56pm
btw last session i was out ^^
Sparky394
Sparky394
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
28 Sep 2013 5:08pm
Thanks All,

Very much appreciate the advice and feedback.
I had my first session out in some decent winds earlier this week. It was all good and certainly had a lot of this discussion in my head for launch. I all helped.

Cheers
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
28 Sep 2013 8:30pm
NoBS said..

Fine,

I take back my comment.. Dont depower your kite on launching.

For the record I would like you to FULLY POWER UP THE KITE as per above comments.

Safety first.


You'll be safer with full control of the steering, launching at the right angle to the wind, ready to pull the QR, with a launcher who actually knows what he's doing.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
28 Sep 2013 10:43pm
righto I read the whole thing WTF does a ****ty meal have to do with anything?





Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
29 Sep 2013 9:25pm
Unfortunately the kite appeared to be filled by the wind

Meal?
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
29 Sep 2013 9:27pm
Ps Sparky
We have all done the slide
You get better at it very times you launch
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
29 Sep 2013 9:28pm
Every time you launch
F*ing iPad
Sparky394
Sparky394
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
30 Sep 2013 5:09pm
Thanks again Rails,
your right to Dave the post had nothing to do with a meal. I meant to have Bad Kook in the header but my tablet spell corrected to cook before i realised and had already hit post. So i couldn't alter so just ran with it.
antisense
antisense
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
30 Sep 2013 4:28pm
haha yeah I wondered what the deal was with the title ^_^
shane75
shane75
QLD
209 posts
QLD, 209 posts
30 Sep 2013 9:22pm
Yeah common mistake, no -ones perfect we've all made mistakes as long as you learn from them, my last one was getting a noob to help launch, when he picked it up he did it from the middle of the LE and spun it upside down and started walking with it, I yelled for him to stop then he kept trying to point it the wrong way, I tried walking the other way to make him switch directions .
In the end my lines had somehow twisted inside out so I just got him to put the kite down re-did the lines and found someone more experienced .
When I'm launching someone's kite and he gives me the thumbs up, but I know he's to far forward or back in the window I'll shake my head and won't let go for his sake and my conscience
IanCathy
IanCathy
NSW
16 posts
NSW, 16 posts
1 Oct 2013 6:23am
I'm no expert but learnt valuable lesson... Seaward launch every time....
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
1 Oct 2013 8:54am
Sparky394 said..

Thanks again Rails,
your right to Dave the post had nothing to do with a meal. I meant to have Bad Kook in the header but my tablet spell corrected to cook before i realised and had already hit post. So i couldn't alter so just ran with it.


It's fine, just stirring.

For the record a good launcher (such as myself ) will be actively involved in finding the right angle to launch, after all he/she is the only one who can test it. All it takes is loosening your grip a little and feeling whether the kite wants to move back or forward. It should be just gently pushing forward in your hands. If it slips back, launcher steps back downwind a step or two, feel again. If it's lunging forward and/or the top is trying to roll over the launcher, they need to step upwind. It's a quick and automatic part of launching for me, and I'm also checking the lines while I do it - any tangle or wingtip caught up and I'm not letting go even if the kiter is giving thumbs up.
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