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Loftywinds
Loftywinds
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27 Nov 2014 10:22am
I found this on another forum (link at the end) and thought it was perfect advice for beginners out there, especially the bit about wanting to jump! In a word - DON'T.
The article explains (which is important to know for any kiter IMO) the differences between DEPOWER and FIXED BRIDLE/POWER kites.
Leading Edge Inflatable (LEI) kites (the ones you pump up with a pump are not mentioned here) but are DEPOWER kites as well.
The point being - know what you want out of the sport of either kite surfing or power kiting (ATB, land, buggy) before you decide on what kite is right for you!
Disclaimer: some of the kites mentioned are specific to other markets/overseas countries. You won't find some of them here in Oz!

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Before you ask, What kite Should I buy?



First WELCOME to the wonderful world of powerkiting. If your question is
"What kite should I buy?"


The answer is "it depends." What you will be asked by most of us is,
Where are you?
Where do you fly? (or want to)
What kiting experience do you already have?
What aspect of powerkiting are you interested in? (Buggying, Landboarding, Kite Surfing, Jumping, etc..)
What are your local winds like? (Averages, gustiness etc.)
How much do you weigh? (Not trying to be personal, Bigger people are less likely to be overpowered by marginally bigger kites and most of us want to start you on a kite that will teach you without hurting you.)
What kind of budget are you looking at? (just to narrow choices)



On average, the most popular answer if you are looking to START in the sports of power kiting is a 2-3M Fixed Bridle Kite. It can be flown in low winds as a static kite to learn on and will most likely be a kite you keep as your moderate to high wind kite as you progress in the sport..

If you are a stunt flyer, let us know up front because you might not be happy with a 3M kite if you want to do spins and dive stops. That's where kites like the Spiderkite Smithi most often enter into the conversation.

If you want to jump, STOP, wait a sec and listen to the wisdom of the advanced kiters here. To safely jump you'll want a kite at least 5M square with some float so you can land safely. DO NOT be tempted to just start with a 5M kite and think you can jump.. You will get yourself hurt or worse. The advice here is still a 3M or so kite and once you know EVERY characteristic of how the wind affects you holding the handles, then move up and seek the advice/counsel of our experience Kite jumpers. (Skydiving reasoning seems applicable here. It doesn't take a parachute to sky dive.. It takes a parachute to sky dive twice.)



(Disclaimer: These lists are not by any means comprehensive. They are merely first-hand examples.

Sport Kite
Most often these are 2 line foils and are sized by span (2.2 being 2.2 meters wide) This is the kite you find in stores very often and is a great first exposure to foils and a great place to start if you've not flown a multiline kite before.

Examples of Sport Foils are:

*HQ Symphony (Multiple sizes)
*Prism Snapshot (Multiple Sizes) ** the 2.5 size is already bridled for four lines


Trainers
These are often Sports kites geared towards learning to fly on a bar. Sometimes they are sized like sport kites others are sized in Square meters like Power Kites.

Examples of Trainers are:

*HQ Hydra
*HQ Kites Rush Pro
*Ozone Imp Trainer
*Peter Lynn Impulse TR


Fixed Bridle Power Foils
These are 4 line kites measured in Square Meters and are geared towards pulling and/or lifting. These are powerful kites and the dangers here are complicated by new fliers assuming the sizing is consistent with the Sport variety. It is not!! A small power foil can really do a lot of damage to you if you aren't ready for the big difference in pull. These kites are most often used for buggying but are not limited to that aspect of the sport.

Examples of Fixed Bridle Foils are:

*HQ Beamer
*HQ Toxic
*Peter Lynn Hornet
*Peter Lynn Reactor
*Peter Lynn Voltage
*Skydog Powerfoil
*Buster Soulfly
*Ozone Flow
*Ozone Octane
*Flexifoil Bullet
*Flexifoil Rage


Depower Kites
These are multiline kites most often used for Board Sports, WaterSports and Buggying. They are able to be depowered (or sheeted) and are flown with a control bar. A fixed Bridle kite on a bar does not make it a Depower kite) Depowers are generally larger than Fixed bridles for the same conditions and tend to be able to ride out gusts more gracefully. Depowers also tend to be more expensive due to materials and control mechanisms.

Examples of Depower kites are:

*HQ Apex
*HQ Montana
*Ozone Access



As for the bottom line, On average, the most popular answer if you are looking to START in the sports of power kiting is a 2-3M Fixed Bridle Kite. It can be flown in low winds as a static kite to learn on and will most likely be a kite you keep as your moderate to high wind kite as you progress in the sport.. The suggested starting size can go up or down based upon your weight , experience and local flying conditions..

Wear a helmet and above all BE SAFE!!..
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Source: www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=28759
finn12
finn12
VIC
34 posts
VIC, 34 posts
27 Nov 2014 11:33am
This advice does not sound like it's aimed at kitesurfing at all. Reads like land kiting.

Reality is most new kitesurfers will be buying a 10-12 metre kite as their first kite.

Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
27 Nov 2014 10:36am
finn12 said..
This advice does not sound like it's aimed at kitesurfing at all. Reads like land kiting.

Reality is most new kitesurfers will be buying a 10-12 metre kite as their first kite.



Sorry. I re-edited the post again to make that distinction clear.
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
27 Nov 2014 12:30pm
Probably best off deleting the original post.
Don't want Noob kiteboarders reading and doing most of that.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
27 Nov 2014 3:10pm
kitcho207 said..
Probably best off deleting the original post.
Don't want Noob kiteboarders reading and doing most of that.


Why? You have to know what hammer to use for the job mate.
windreams
windreams
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
27 Nov 2014 11:25pm
How to confuse a beginner. If I had have read this a couple of years ago when I started kite surfing I would have thought “this s**t is way too complicated” and probably would have taken up that poley sport instead; now that Lofty is unforgivable and I would have blamed you. Newbies please do yourselves a favor and DON‘T READ THIS INFORMATION.
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
28 Nov 2014 1:34am
Loftywinds said...
kitcho207 said..
Probably best off deleting the original post.
Don't want Noob kiteboarders reading and doing most of that.


Why? You have to know what hammer to use for the job mate.


Been a fitter for 20 years... Now engineer. So I know what hammer to use. Hehe.
Trapped
Trapped
NSW
220 posts
NSW, 220 posts
28 Nov 2014 8:00am
kitcho207 said...

Been a fitter for 20 years... Now engineer. So I know what hammer to use. Hehe.


Know how use your tool ay.
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
28 Nov 2014 11:52am
Trapped said..

kitcho207 said...

Been a fitter for 20 years... Now engineer. So I know what hammer to use. Hehe.



Know how use your tool ay.


Don't bang much now. Semi retired due to marriage and kids
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
28 Nov 2014 12:43pm
windreams said..
How to confuse a beginner. If I had have read this a couple of years ago when I started kite surfing I would have thought “this s**t is way too complicated” and probably would have taken up that poley sport instead; now that Lofty is unforgivable and I would have blamed you. Newbies please do yourselves a favor and DON‘T READ THIS INFORMATION.



That's a very subjective post with no clear evidence or reasoning as to what is/should be the alternative there Windy.

Any particular reason why people/beginners should not be told the true difference (or a starting point) of what kites are out there and what they're for? And may I add, you're underestimating the "beginner". Beginners tend to be much more hungrier for knowledge, options and availability of various products to suit their desires/needs/wants/etc. Your statement is rather insulting to beginners actually.
windreams
windreams
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
28 Nov 2014 2:51pm
Hungry for relevant knowledge Lofty and the alternative is for a beginner to read one of the many many posts in this section that will give them that, along with interesting, useful, clear advice on kitesurfing gear we use in oz. I’m sure you can do a search and find them.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
29 Nov 2014 9:09am
windreams said..
Hungry for relevant knowledge Lofty and the alternative is for a beginner to read one of the many many posts in this section that will give them that, along with interesting, useful, clear advice on kitesurfing gear we use in oz. I’m sure you can do a search and find them.


Really? You think most posts in here are to be taken seriously? Gee I am in the wrong forum.
windreams
windreams
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
29 Nov 2014 11:09am
Loftywinds said..

windreams said..
Hungry for relevant knowledge Lofty and the alternative is for a beginner to read one of the many many posts in this section that will give them that, along with interesting, useful, clear advice on kitesurfing gear we use in oz. I’m sure you can do a search and find them.


Really? You think most posts in here are to be taken seriously? Gee I am in the wrong forum.



Obviously most are taken more seriously than your posts judging by the amount of red thumbs you manage to achieve .
djt91184
djt91184
QLD
1211 posts
QLD, 1211 posts
29 Nov 2014 5:52pm
Ask yourself are you feeling lucky punk
Air
Air
QLD
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Air Air
QLD, 55 posts
29 Nov 2014 6:17pm
Loftywinds said..
Gee I am in the wrong forum.


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