Beginner tips from a beginner

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fcalmon
fcalmon
QLD
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QLD, 165 posts
5 May 2013 8:22pm
Being a beginner myself, I thought I'd share a few tips I was given and helped me a lot:

1- Aim the nose of the board to the kite lines when getting up
2- Always use the bar paralel to the kite
3- It is way easier to get up on stronger winds (within reason, of course. To me, ~20 knots)
4- The more you do the "Walk of Shame" the better kite control you will get
5- Don't worry, it will "click". Sonner or later.

Hope it helps someone.
daddycool
daddycool
WA
338 posts
WA, 338 posts
6 May 2013 1:01pm
Spot on fcalmon...
Seamus1982
Seamus1982
22 posts
22 posts
6 May 2013 1:59pm
When I was learning, I found the kite control very difficult. My instructor never explained exactly, not sure if any do or if its too self explanatory and I just didn't get it, but the key is always keeping the lines taught, an ongoing process of small tweaks pulling the bar in slightly and letting it out slightly. If the lines go slack, the kite starts to fall and then it's a bigger task to keep it where you want it. So remember, when you're stood with you're kite in the air holding the bar for dear life and wondering what the trick is, it's tight lines, so damn simple eh?
teamex
teamex
WA
26 posts
WA, 26 posts
7 May 2013 12:23pm
I took out my gear for the first time the other day.. 12 m north vegas.

Basically i could get on top of the board with the initial dive of the kite but i couldn't get the kite to turn back out of the dive. Admittedly i was probably choking up on the bar slightly.

But was i saw in the last post; it was difficult to keep the steering lines as taught as the centre lines. the seemed to hang slightly in the wind most of the time. Could a setup issue be the reason i struggled getting the kite to cycle?
dafish
dafish
NSW
1654 posts
NSW, 1654 posts
7 May 2013 7:09pm
not sure if the Vegas is the best option for a beginner but I could be wrong
zarb
zarb
NSW
703 posts
NSW, 703 posts
7 May 2013 7:43pm
teamex said...
I took out my gear for the first time the other day.. 12 m north vegas.

Basically i could get on top of the board with the initial dive of the kite but i couldn't get the kite to turn back out of the dive. Admittedly i was probably choking up on the bar slightly.

But was i saw in the last post; it was difficult to keep the steering lines as taught as the centre lines. the seemed to hang slightly in the wind most of the time. Could a setup issue be the reason i struggled getting the kite to cycle?


My understanding is that when you sheet the bar in to the last 1/4 of the allowance (sweet spot!), the steering lines should be taught with the front lines. If not, the wind is just too weak for the kite, or you need to shorten your steering lines.

A more experienced kiter should be able to verify.
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
7 May 2013 8:40pm
Hey teamex
Sounds like you had your centre lines trimmed all the way in to full "depower"..... this will make steering sluggish on most kites. You need to let the cleat, trimming strap, out to lengthen the front lines a bit for better control. Also check your line lengths, might need adjusting and both sets of lines should be on the middle knot until you have more air time.
Do a search for puppets post on trimming the kite correctly
Cheers
teamex
teamex
WA
26 posts
WA, 26 posts
8 May 2013 8:07am
dafish said...
not sure if the Vegas is the best option for a beginner but I could be wrong



evo sorry. any better for beginners? In anycase, i guess i've got it now.

zarb said...
My understanding is that when you sheet the bar in to the last 1/4 of the allowance (sweet spot!), the steering lines should be taught with the front lines. If not, the wind is just too weak for the kite, or you need to shorten your steering lines. A more experienced kiter should be able to verify.



hmm, i can't remember exactly what was happening when sheeted in i just remember i couldn't get enough tension in the line to steer the kite out quickly enough. the wind was pretty borderline 12-15knts when i went out but quickly died to around 10.

Gateman said...
Hey teamex Sounds like you had your centre lines trimmed all the way in to full "depower"..... this will make steering sluggish on most kites. You need to let the cleat, trimming strap, out to lengthen the front lines a bit for better control. Also check your line lengths, might need adjusting and both sets of lines should be on the middle knot until you have more air time. Do a search for puppets post on trimming the kite correctly Cheers



this sounds like it could be the case as well.. I hope to get out this arvo in slightly more wind so ill have to pay more attention to the set up

Thanks for the advice guys!

zarb
zarb
NSW
703 posts
NSW, 703 posts
8 May 2013 10:23am
Yeah 12 kts probably wont be enough for a normally trimmed 12m kite steering lines to stay taught. My 11m only starts to be correctly tensioned at about 17kts. Anything less and it steers like a bus.
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
8 May 2013 1:24pm
My 2 cents worth:

Vegas is a little more of a beginner/intermediate than beginner friendly *but* until you start doing jumps, it's not too much of an issue. It may be a bit more twitchy than, say, a rebel, but should be fine.

With regards to water starts and getting the kite out of the dive, try the folloiwng:

1. get the kite at 1/2/3 o'clock depending on how windy it is (1 o'clock if it's windy, 3 oclock for light winds)
2. then dive the kite 'as if' you're going to do a water start,
3. but instead of pulling on the bar (Which applies the power and pulls you out the water) bring the ktie back up to 12 o'clock again, with the bar out.

Thus practice diving and recovering the kite without the complexity of trying to get your feet to do the right thing.

Note that there will probably be enough power in the kite to drag you slightly down wind (note you should be in your standard water start position, with the board 90 degrees to the wind, i.e. in line with your bar when the kite is at 12 O'clock and you're at 'rest'.
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
12 May 2013 8:17pm
OK, here's something I made a mistake on yesterday:
Very very light wind about 10-12kts but thought it would be OK with a larger tt (134x42) at only 62kgs on my 10m
I was doing fine the first couple runs and just managing to hold ground and not go down wind when I think the wind dropped a little more, during a turn I had the bar all the way in (depower strap was all the way out) and ended up stalling my kite.
Just fell out of the sky due to over sheeting. Took ages to relaunch due to marginal winds and then when up and riding I did it again! Over sheeted, kite fell too far back in the window and dropped again.

In retrospect, I would have been far better off with the bar further out and signing the kite more to create more apparent wind.
It would also have helped this noob out if I had pulled in the depower strap a bit (I know this sounds counter intuitive but work with me here) to help prevent me from over sheeting in the first place.

Sessions like this are great when you realise what you have done wrong and can reflect, learn and rectify next time you're in the same situation.

Hope this helps someone else out.
ROSS1BRO
ROSS1BRO
62 posts
62 posts
12 May 2013 9:07pm
Gunna be hard to dive ya kite from 3 oclock
CmonWind
CmonWind
SA
42 posts
SA, 42 posts
13 May 2013 4:15pm
Here is a lesson I learnt today which scared me a bit. I thought I was all over self rescues but turns out I wasn't. I was about 250m offshore in nice wind when it just stopped to absolute nothing. I totally stuffed up the winding in of the lines and by the time I reached my kite I had lines tangled all over me. I guess I paniced a little and just wanted to get to the kite. I had a very long time swimming back in with lines everywhere (tangled in my feet/legs/whole body) to know that I never want to do that again. Def should have taken my time, relaxed and do it properly. I need to practice the self rescue a bit more before I go back to tryin the fun stuff.
Dl33ta
Dl33ta
TAS
463 posts
TAS, 463 posts
13 May 2013 9:42pm
CmonWind said..

Here is a lesson I learnt today which scared me a bit. I thought I was all over self rescues but turns out I wasn't. I was about 250m offshore in nice wind when it just stopped to absolute nothing. I totally stuffed up the winding in of the lines and by the time I reached my kite I had lines tangled all over me. I guess I paniced a little and just wanted to get to the kite. I had a very long time swimming back in with lines everywhere (tangled in my feet/legs/whole body) to know that I never want to do that again. Def should have taken my time, relaxed and do it properly. I need to practice the self rescue a bit more before I go back to tryin the fun stuff.


Yeah I hear ya. It's amazing how those lines will find anything to latch on to. Thought I did a good job of getting up to my kite for a self rescue, flipped it over but there was no way i could reach bith sides of my 11m rebel. Was there thinking that thise sewn in hand straps were just a cruel German joke. After stuffing around trying a few things from sitting on the kite, to angling one tip up towards the shore i realised that the lines had caught somewhere on the back of my seat harness. nothing like getting dragged downwind by your arse wishing you had a knife! Finally figured out it was caught around the back of my safety and just released fully but n before i had finished making a full spectacle of myself in front of the beach crowd..
raffaeu
raffaeu
195 posts
195 posts
14 May 2013 1:15am
When you fall, continue bodydrag a bit in the direction you felt. Then as soon as you start bodydrag in the other direction the board will "usually" be almost in front of you. Also when you change direction while bodydragging, NEVER pull the bar because the kite will move into the power zone and take you straight downwind. Finally, while bodydragging, keep the bar out of the water and parallel to the water.
Make sense?
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
18 May 2013 11:29am
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savagebee
savagebee
NSW
35 posts
NSW, 35 posts
20 May 2013 9:31pm
Gateman said..[/
In retrospect, I would have been far better off with the bar further out and signing the kite more to create more apparent wind.
It would also have helped this noob out if I had pulled in the depower strap a bit (I know this sounds counter intuitive but work with me here) to help prevent me from over sheeting in the first place.


In my limited experience I've found in lighter wind it works well to pull hard on the bar and use the power as the kite is diving and as you turn it to the horizontal, then ease bar as its coming up to help prevent the stall and help it fly up quickly. You repeat this cycle as you sine the kite, it's like a slingshot of power then re-loading as the kite rises. Hard to explain in words but it's a feeling. I may be off track here, just a personal observation from my own feelings as I improve my kite skills.

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
21 May 2013 12:10pm
The trick is in the trimming of your kite BEFORE you head out.
An essential part of the lesson program that is way too often not taught at all
1) Always launch with bar set on full depower.
If you cant steer your kite to 12 in the neutral zone on this setting you can try again with more power on - but it probably means a bigger kite is needed.
2) Park at 12 and walk to your launch point.
3) With bar fully extended trim in until the rear lines are ALMOST tight - very slight bow.
Check by pulling the bar in 2 or 3cms. This should pull full tension into your back lines.
Your kite is now trimmed to todays days conditions.
Releasing the bar will put you back to slack rear lines & any pulling in of the bar will increase the angle of attack.

Remember that without tension in your rear lines steering becomes a problem. Those posters here who are having difficulty controlling the kite after the launch stroke are almost certain to be allowing the kite to depower too much by pushing out on the bar.
Its not called a power sport for nothing.
Power = control. Its your friend - not something to be wary of.
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
22 May 2013 8:02am
savagebee said..

Gateman said..[/
In retrospect, I would have been far better off with the bar further out and signing the kite more to create more apparent wind.
It would also have helped this noob out if I had pulled in the depower strap a bit (I know this sounds counter intuitive but work with me here) to help prevent me from over sheeting in the first place.


In my limited experience I've found in lighter wind it works well to pull hard on the bar and use the power as the kite is diving and as you turn it to the horizontal, then ease bar as its coming up to help prevent the stall and help it fly up quickly. You repeat this cycle as you sine the kite, it's like a slingshot of power then re-loading as the kite rises. Hard to explain in words but it's a feeling. I may be off track here, just a personal observation from my own feelings as I improve my kite skills.



Thanks Savage, will try this next time it's very light.

@Puppet: thanks too, I have been trimming my kite exactly this way since you 1st posted this on a previous thread
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