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Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
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4 Oct 2014 10:19pm
So I took another lesson today and have to say that I'm basically hooked.
Since hiring doesn't seem to be a real option, I am now looking at buying all the gear I need.

Can you please give me some advice as to what kite, board, harness etc? I'm fine with 2nd hand, in fact didn't want to spend more than a grand on it all.

Any recommendations? Something forgiving/beginner friendly would be good. I'm not even thinking about jumping or anything, rather being safe and building the right foundations.

Thanks,
K
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
4 Oct 2014 8:34pm
Not being a smart arse but you need your weight , location ie flat water or shore conditions and location or general wind strengths, you'll get loads of input of this brands this and that, honestly nearly all brands now do a kite that'll do the job and let you progress to intermediate
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
4 Oct 2014 11:07pm
ok sorry for that, weight: about 85kg, location Sydney's Northern Beaches (Dee Why, Nara, etc)

Wind strengths, probably around 15-20 knots, I'm not sure I would go out in anything stronger at this stage lol
ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1007 posts
WA, 1007 posts
4 Oct 2014 11:23pm
Hi Kajo,

Firstly, you should spend more than a grand. All you'll get for the entire kit for a grand is someone else's problems. You may get away with spending a grand on a kite, but you'll need someone who knows what to look for or you're gonna get taken big time in that price range if you don't know what you're looking at.

The beginner gear all sells for good money. The cheap stuff is all mostly high performance or very old, hard to sell gear that no one wants and every seller will tell you it's perfect for learning.

Drop in and see what your local kite shop has to offer, they usually have a range of new and also second hand gear to sell. You don't need to necessarily buy from them, but they will give you a lot of free information about what will work for you. You can use this info as a yard stick by which to measure other gear. A store has your best interest in mind as they want you as a customer for life. A private seller has his wallet and his next new kite in mind, your needs are secondary.

Here's my advice: Look for a 12m kite within 2-3 years of age. A 12m is the most common sized Sydney kite so they tend to get the most wear and tear so don't get an old one. Allow $1200 for the kite. If you're going to buy a crappy old kite, find out which store stocks the spare parts for them because you'll likely need them. No point buying a $500 kite if no one can get parts for the kite and bar. Look for an old board, anything from about 2008 onwards will do, allow about $450-$500. You need something no smaller than 135 x 41 and flex is your friend as a beginner as it will be easy and smooth to ride. Spend whatever you have to on a decent harness. This is the one bit of gear you don't upgrade, it stays with you for years so buy a decent one. Budget? Minimum $200. Look for superceded harnesses from a store and try a few on. Buy the one that feels the best regardless of price, it will pay you back ten fold. So minimum total budget ~$1850 will set you up for a fun, hassle free start into the sport. Ride it for a season and look at upgrading the following year.

If you were going to fly from Sydney to New Zealand, would you choose the cheapest, oldest, no name airline?

I think Sam at Wind Surf and Snow would be your local. Drop in and see them, they're good operators.

DM


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Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
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5 Oct 2014 6:27pm




ActionSportsWA said..
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Here's my advice: Look for a 12m kite within 2-3 years of age. A 12m is the most common sized Sydney kite so they tend to get the most wear and tear so don't get an old one. Allow $1200 for the kite. If you're going to buy a crappy old kite, find out which store stocks the spare parts for them because you'll likely need them. No point buying a $500 kite if no one can get parts for the kite and bar. Look for an old board, anything from about 2008 onwards will do, allow about $450-$500. You need something no smaller than 135 x 41 and flex is your friend as a beginner as it will be easy and smooth to ride. Spend whatever you have to on a decent harness. This is the one bit of gear you don't upgrade, it stays with you for years so buy a decent one. Budget? Minimum $200. Look for superceded harnesses from a store and try a few on. Buy the one that feels the best regardless of price, it will pay you back ten fold. So minimum total budget ~$1850 will set you up for a fun, hassle free start into the sport. Ride it for a season and look at upgrading the following year.

If you were going to fly from Sydney to New Zealand, would you choose the cheapest, oldest, no name airline?

I think Sam at Wind Surf and Snow would be your local. Drop in and see them, they're good operators.

DM




Thank you so much for taking the time to reply in such length DM. It's much appreciated. I have definitely narrowed it down to one of the Cabrinha kites 12m. Defo 2nd hand for now. I went to Wind Surf and Snow today and the guy was great help. I will buy a new harness there. There is a good selection of Ion harnesses for $175+.
I'm thinking about getting one with leg straps as well for now.
He also has a used board for $250 which seems reasonable. There are some reasonably priced switch blades on offer here (2011 and newer) for around $600.
So with a bit of luck I could cram it all inside of my $1k budget.

Would that be a recommendable setup?
Also I saw some vests there at the shop. Is it worth getting of one of those too?

Thanks again.
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
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WA, 1615 posts
5 Oct 2014 7:31pm
As a beginner it's highly likely you'll give the kite a hard time by crashing it hard from time to time. Newer kites especially the ones from big brand names are very tough and the materials are getting tougher through the years. New quality kites are nearly impossible to break when crashed hard in the water.

Most kites that are a couple of years old sell for very cheap simply because they have seen a lot of use and at those prices you'd have to be lucky to find one that isn't getting towards the end of it's life. Honestly, it wouldn't matter much if you didn't crash the kite at all, it would probably fly and perform all right, but if you have just one big crash in the water chances are the canopy will tear and/or the leading edge blows, etc ($$$). Older kites are also much more likely to already have or soon start to have leaking issues, valve issues, etc. that can be difficult to fix for a beginner as well as costly and time consuming.

What weakens the kite canopy the most is leaving a kite secured on the beach flapping in the wind under the baking sun. If you do this every day for even just 1-2 hours (what most people do), you will effectively decrease the life span of the kite by about half.

Without any experience it can be difficult to spot early signs of failure on a kite, bar and lines. But as a general guide, if you look through the trailing edge under direct sunlight and you see the light poking through (in lines or waves) that's a sign of advanced canopy wear, i.e. a kite that will tear easily if crashed. You want to make sure the lines are not starting to fray and they are no knots in the lines either. You also want to inspect the safety system and make sure it operates and reassembles easily. To check for leaks pump the kite fairly hard and shut all the strut clips. After 20 minutes or so open the struts up with you ear next to each clip and listen if there is any pressure difference (you would hear a PSHHHH if there is). that would be a sign of a single or multiple leaks. You'd also have to tune the lines correctly as over the years it's very likely the lines are in need of some serious adjustments, that's not an easy task for a complete beginner either.

My advice is to spend a little more on a used kite and get something newer with less use and preferably from a shop who had a chance to inspect it for you. Most of the time shops who buy used kites know the riders well and know their maintenance and care habits so they know it's quality merchandise.

Good luck

Christian
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Rails
QLD
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6 Oct 2014 8:07am
Assuming you are talking impact vest I wouldn't bother -
i guess it is all a personal choice, you can get booties, helmet, gloves but I prefer going out in my boardies
same with fixing stuff, if you are not handy then get a newer kite, if you don't mind spending a few hours putting stuff together then you can buy anything, even leading edge terms fixed for a few bucks
i have a couple of 2006 model kites that still fly like new, have replaced valves and fly them on new bar though
basically the life of a kite can be extended and they are pretty tough
as for leaving them flapping in the breeze I have no idea why anyone would do that, you pump up, ride, deflate in my experience

i have a mate rides switchblades and they are pretty decent steady stabile kites

Ps it's. lot of fun
ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1007 posts
WA, 1007 posts
6 Oct 2014 1:23pm
Hi Kajo,

If your budget is fairly well fixed, then the old Switchy will be OK. As cbulota suggests, you do get what you pay for. Older kites will be far more subject to damage than newer kites. As a first kite, it will be a good enough place to start, making repairs and getting to know the kite will be good for you as time goes by. You'll definitely need to upgrade after a season. Any old board will get you up and going and if you are buying at ~250 you won't lose much on resale.

Spend a few more dollars on a comfortable harness as it is the only bit of gear that will inflict pain on you in the course of normal use. Choose wisely! Leg loops are a personal preference. I hate them but loads of beginners like them. I wouldn't consider them a plus or a minus.

Just get into it, it's going to be a great season.

DM


Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
6 Oct 2014 8:52pm
Thanks for all your thoughts guys. It's worth a lot!

I have placed an order today for a 2013 BWS Noise 12m kite. Looks to be in very good condition and it has been recommended and the reviews look great on it.

Still looking for a 2nd hand board and a harness which I will buy from the shop new.
We're slowly getting there :)

Amazing wind this arvo and I just watched in awe as 7 kiters shredded in Manly.
DanWilson
DanWilson
VIC
127 posts
VIC, 127 posts
8 Oct 2014 12:53pm
Its also worth calling shops and getting prices on last years model boards, i've just picked up a 2014 board with 40% off due to the 2015 model being released.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
8 Oct 2014 4:26pm
Kajo said..

Can you please give me some advice as to what kite, board, harness etc?


Could you give me $1?

I wish I had $1 from everyone that asks this same old question.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
9 Oct 2014 10:23am
I have bought all my equipment now:
2013 BWS Noise (12m), 2014 LF board (140cm) + straps and a LF Luxury harness.

Can't wait to get going with it.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
21 Oct 2014 2:03pm
One thing that I am still curious about:
Would you recommend wearing an impact vest?
windreams
windreams
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
21 Oct 2014 1:44pm
The answer to that question is yes because if I said no and you caved in your chest I wouldn’t be able to live with myself. In the real world the majority don’t use helmets or impact vests including me but we’ll all be sorry if an accident happened.

It all comes down to the amount of risk you’re comfortable with, there’s no right or wrong answer just a personal preference. I did start off as a green beginner using an impact vest mainly for the reassurance of the protection and the slight flotation advantage but ditched it after I felt a little more in control…
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
21 Oct 2014 3:08pm
Kajo said..
One thing that I am still curious about:
Would you recommend wearing an impact vest?


I bought one of the NP impact vests, offers some protection and offers additional buoyancy.

I got cracked on the head on sunday by my surfboard, I didn't get knocked out, but pretty sure the NP would have saved my life if I had.
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