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Sangas
Sangas
VIC
66 posts
VIC, 66 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:40pm
Hi all,

I've just finished lessons and am really keen to keep kiteboarding.
I'm looking at buying my own gear but don't know whether to buy now or wait until September/October when all the stores are trying to get rid of their '2013' kites?
If I wait, I'm looking at buying an Airush Lithium.

What do you guys reckon? It's really a question of if I'll actually be able to get out though winter enough to make it worth buying now.

Thanks
Bazinga
Bazinga
QLD
63 posts
QLD, 63 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:06pm
Hi Sangas..... imho you are best off buying a 2yr old second hand kite for now......bash it around over winter, then buy a 2013 run out model at the end of the year. You will have a much better feel for what kite you want and what size you need. Get ready to be addicted........
belldiver
belldiver
QLD
171 posts
QLD, 171 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:15pm
Buy now as per your budget depicts.

Ive been surfing for 30 plus years, lived in perth for 12 and never kited.
Moved back to the sunny coast 8 years ago and surfed and rode dirt bikes.

Crashed pretty heavily a year ago and sold my bikes and surfed only and moped around the house.

My missus bought me 3 lessons for xmas I did 1 in Jan, 1 in Feb. Ummmed and arred about buying a kite. A mate was going to lend me one ect.

I ended buying a kite on Monday.

did 3 hours Monday, 3 hours tuesday and 4 hours wednesday. The wind died yesterday and surf was ok and I just surfed but all I want to do is go kiting. Watch the weather and buy a kite the day before it picks up.

Im kicking myself for not getting into this 10 years ago, this is my new thing.
KiteBilly
KiteBilly
VIC
90 posts
VIC, 90 posts
22 Mar 2013 7:21pm
As a suggestion.. I would go with the newer kite...better performance, safety etc..will help you progress quicker, especially if you are familiar with the kite your mates / local have them.

Then just buy a different size canopy down the road so you can kite in a wider wind range, just be smart about where you kite and dont take silly risks with your gear.

Not saying Baz is wrong but some of the used gear can be gamble for a beginner.

If you are getting the kite through a local retail all the better as you can take it back if you have trouble / questions and eventually trade up.
belldiver
belldiver
QLD
171 posts
QLD, 171 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:42pm
Good points billy,

i was told to get 2nd hand but had a mate who had bought 3 kites off his mates. They always let him down when he went to kite, so on his advice/ bad luck i bought new.

It had a small leak in a strut from new and I had it fixed when the wind had died through the dealer.

I was told lines are $125 each, so for me I could afford it and new I would stick with it I bought new. I've crashed the ****e out of that kite on the 1st day but getting better everyday. For me new was the right decision. I didnt even know what to look for in a 2nd hand kite, maybe in the future i will and i might get a 2nd hand one but for now i want it to work hen i need it to and it has 18 months warranty.

All fixed now.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
22 Mar 2013 10:51pm
If you want to buy now and can afford to buy new, shop around and just go for it. Just accept that a better price will always pop up a week after you buy your kite. Murphys Law!
savagebee
savagebee
NSW
35 posts
NSW, 35 posts
23 Mar 2013 10:50am
I bought a used 2012 10m off the BWS used gear site and am very happy with the deal. Just $600 for kite, bar(and lines), pump and compression bag. Kite is in great condition, certainly plenty good for my ability. I was so happy with this deal that I've bought a 8m (for my wife and stronger wind) too, similar deal $700. Haven't flown the 8 yet but condition looks good. So for just $1300 I have 2 kites with shorter and longer BWS bar options (latest design bar).

I don't know if BWS are the best kites, but they seem strong and well made, plenty of good kiters are using them and I aspire to their philosophy of strapless SB wave riding, so I am very happy so far. And they also sell kite-only new kites at reasonable prices so if I want a new one it won't cost me too much. I have no vested interest in BWS, just a happy customer giving credit where due.
patchy
patchy
WA
15 posts
WA, 15 posts
23 Mar 2013 9:21pm
Mate now and the coming month or so is a great time to buy second hand gear. As alot of the euros leave after the summer, alot won't take their gear with them. Just means you can generally score a great kit for $1000 mark, just a thought.
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
24 Mar 2013 12:48pm
savagebee said...
I bought a used 2012 10m off the BWS used gear site and am very happy with the deal. Just $600 for kite, bar(and lines), pump and compression bag. Kite is in great condition, certainly plenty good for my ability. I was so happy with this deal that I've bought a 8m (for my wife and stronger wind) too, similar deal $700. Haven't flown the 8 yet but condition looks good. So for just $1300 I have 2 kites with shorter and longer BWS bar options (latest design bar).

I don't know if BWS are the best kites, but they seem strong and well made, plenty of good kiters are using them and I aspire to their philosophy of strapless SB wave riding, so I am very happy so far. And they also sell kite-only new kites at reasonable prices so if I want a new one it won't cost me too much. I have no vested interest in BWS, just a happy customer giving credit where due.


to keep the kite flying sweet, check the P Line lengths after a few months. They shrink from heat and need extensions on them to keep the kite flying like new. also check the front and rear line lengths are all equal with the bar on full power. this is the same with most kites.
savagebee
savagebee
NSW
35 posts
NSW, 35 posts
25 Mar 2013 9:56pm
Poida said...
to keep the kite flying sweet, check the P Line lengths after a few months. They shrink from heat and need extensions on them to keep the kite flying like new. also check the front and rear line lengths are all equal with the bar on full power. this is the same with most kites.


Thanks for the tip Poida, I will check that. Any idea what that P line length should be? The kites came with a repair kit that has a spare line that looks like it could be a replacement P line.
Prawnhead
Prawnhead
NSW
1317 posts
NSW, 1317 posts
26 Mar 2013 11:10am
savagebee said...
Poida said...
to keep the kite flying sweet, check the P Line lengths after a few months. They shrink from heat and need extensions on them to keep the kite flying like new. also check the front and rear line lengths are all equal with the bar on full power. this is the same with most kites.


Thanks for the tip Poida, I will check that. Any idea what that P line length should be? The kites came with a repair kit that has a spare line that looks like it could be a replacement P line.


Its probably the replacement centre line but check it against the existing p lines as the size varies with kite size.
Handy to check the existing lines for symmetry by folding the kite over in half and comparing all the lines as sometimes Mr Woo Flung Dung at the factory has a bender and mixes them up on assembly
You can go to the local boat chandlery and buy replacement line yourself if necessary although you have to check the pline ring attachment for wear as well..after 3 or 4 sets of plines the rings were wearing out the line due to the fact they had notches in them and were quite abrasive. You can still fly the kite if a pline snaps mid-session well enough to get you back to shore.
bene313
bene313
WA
1347 posts
WA, 1347 posts
26 Mar 2013 7:54pm
Not sure what winter in VIC is like, but I find I don't really kite that much over winter in WA. Winter kiting is hard work and I'd prefer to just go surfing, but that's me.

Furthermore, I would suggest kiting in winter would be both frustrating and dangerous for a newbie. The wind is very inconsistent, often onshore, and depending on your beach the swell can be large.

So I would suggest waiting for September. Unless you're super keen and have others to kite with (and look out for you) over the winter months.
bene313
bene313
WA
1347 posts
savagebee
savagebee
NSW
35 posts
NSW, 35 posts
26 Mar 2013 11:30pm
Prawnhead said...
savagebee said...
Poida said...
to keep the kite flying sweet, check the P Line lengths after a few months. They shrink from heat and need extensions on them to keep the kite flying like new. also check the front and rear line lengths are all equal with the bar on full power. this is the same with most kites.


Thanks for the tip Poida, I will check that. Any idea what that P line length should be? The kites came with a repair kit that has a spare line that looks like it could be a replacement P line.


Its probably the replacement centre line but check it against the existing p lines as the size varies with kite size.
Handy to check the existing lines for symmetry by folding the kite over in half and comparing all the lines as sometimes Mr Woo Flung Dung at the factory has a bender and mixes them up on assembly
You can go to the local boat chandlery and buy replacement line yourself if necessary although you have to check the pline ring attachment for wear as well..after 3 or 4 sets of plines the rings were wearing out the line due to the fact they had notches in them and were quite abrasive. You can still fly the kite if a pline snaps mid-session well enough to get you back to shore.


Sangas, sorry to have hijacked your thread a bit here.

Prawn, Poida
I checked the repair kit lines against the Lines on my 10m and the new lines are about 200mm longer than the old ones. Does that sound like the right kind of ballpark for what you would expect?
Yves
Yves
WA
134 posts
WA, 134 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:32pm
Hi all,
Aside from trade-in promotions, do shops easily take trade-ins when buying run-out kites or only on full priced kites?
Thanks
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:52pm
savagebee said...
Prawnhead said...
savagebee said...
Poida said...
to keep the kite flying sweet, check the P Line lengths after a few months. They shrink from heat and need extensions on them to keep the kite flying like new. also check the front and rear line lengths are all equal with the bar on full power. this is the same with most kites.


Thanks for the tip Poida, I will check that. Any idea what that P line length should be? The kites came with a repair kit that has a spare line that looks like it could be a replacement P line.


Its probably the replacement centre line but check it against the existing p lines as the size varies with kite size.
Handy to check the existing lines for symmetry by folding the kite over in half and comparing all the lines as sometimes Mr Woo Flung Dung at the factory has a bender and mixes them up on assembly
You can go to the local boat chandlery and buy replacement line yourself if necessary although you have to check the pline ring attachment for wear as well..after 3 or 4 sets of plines the rings were wearing out the line due to the fact they had notches in them and were quite abrasive. You can still fly the kite if a pline snaps mid-session well enough to get you back to shore.


Sangas, sorry to have hijacked your thread a bit here.

Prawn, Poida
I checked the repair kit lines against the Lines on my 10m and the new lines are about 200mm longer than the old ones. Does that sound like the right kind of ballpark for what you would expect?


heres the p line length specs

10m = 235cm
8m = 215cm
6m = 182cm
Prawnhead
Prawnhead
NSW
1317 posts
NSW, 1317 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:50am
savagebee said...
Prawnhead said...
savagebee said...
Poida said...
to keep the kite flying sweet, check the P Line lengths after a few months. They shrink from heat and need extensions on them to keep the kite flying like new. also check the front and rear line lengths are all equal with the bar on full power. this is the same with most kites.


Thanks for the tip Poida, I will check that. Any idea what that P line length should be? The kites came with a repair kit that has a spare line that looks like it could be a replacement P line.


Its probably the replacement centre line but check it against the existing p lines as the size varies with kite size.
Handy to check the existing lines for symmetry by folding the kite over in half and comparing all the lines as sometimes Mr Woo Flung Dung at the factory has a bender and mixes them up on assembly
You can go to the local boat chandlery and buy replacement line yourself if necessary although you have to check the pline ring attachment for wear as well..after 3 or 4 sets of plines the rings were wearing out the line due to the fact they had notches in them and were quite abrasive. You can still fly the kite if a pline snaps mid-session well enough to get you back to shore.


Sangas, sorry to have hijacked your thread a bit here.

Prawn, Poida
I checked the repair kit lines against the Lines on my 10m and the new lines are about 200mm longer than the old ones. Does that sound like the right kind of ballpark for what you would expect?


no it doesn't but hold onto them anyway ....the front bridle lines (A and B lines ?) were different lengths on the first BWS kites ..i would just check them against the other lines to see if there is a match
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