Can't sheet out completely without "reaching" out

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Rodno
Rodno
32 posts
32 posts
30 Dec 2012 10:27pm
I was out today on my 12m naish park in pretty gusty conditions, 8-25 knots averaging around 17 knots. First time on the kite and was quite different from the ozone gear I am used to.

When it was 15+ I felt I had good power but I simply couldn't keep the edge without adopting the poo stance because I couldn't sheet out enough. Also the kite tended to stay higher in the window which made edging less effective.

Is there a way to adjust the lines so that I can fully sheet out without compromising my stance?

P.S. I did use the depower strap to about half way, any more than that I felt was not desirable as the kite became too sluggish.
hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
2174 posts
ACT, 2174 posts
31 Dec 2012 1:34am
Rodno said...

I was out today on my 12m naish park in pretty gusty conditions, 8-25 knots averaging around 17 knots. First time on the kite and was quite different from the ozone gear I am used to.

When it was 15+ I felt I had good power but I simply couldn't keep the edge without adopting the poo stance because I couldn't sheet out enough. Also the kite tended to stay higher in the window which made edging less effective.

Is there a way to adjust the lines so that I can fully sheet out without compromising my stance?

P.S. I did use the depower strap to about half way, any more than that I felt was not desirable as the kite became too sluggish.


8-25kns.............. ansered your own question

better conditions smaller kite

Rodno
Rodno
32 posts
32 posts
30 Dec 2012 10:39pm
Sure the conditions were not the best but the fact remains the same. I couldn't sheet out without having to reach for it, which prevented me from adopting the right stance.

Is there a way to fix this? Surely the bar and lines weren't designed for people with the 'correct' arm length??
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
31 Dec 2012 12:28am
You can shorten the throw on any bar. Some easier than others. I could walk you through how to do it on my north bar but that wouldn't be much use. Search Naishs website for the manual for your bar or pop into your local shop and let them educate you.
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
31 Dec 2012 8:55am
Shortening the bar throw will not help you'll just hit the stop and still won't be able to dump the power best thing would of been to alter the shoulder bridal setting to the upper setting to soften the kite then you could of ridden it with less depower,8-25 isn't really ideal for a 12 especially if the gusts are brutal,smaller kite big board would of been better,try playing with the shoulder settings they make a big diff,was out on my 8 park in 18 gusting 38+ was starting to get hauled so came in swapped to the upper setting and way different felt like it turned my 8 into a 6.
GarryA
GarryA
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
31 Dec 2012 10:20am
Rodno said...

I was out today on my 12m naish park in pretty gusty conditions, 8-25 knots averaging around 17 knots. First time on the kite and was quite different from the ozone gear I am used to.

When it was 15+ I felt I had good power but I simply couldn't keep the edge without adopting the poo stance because I couldn't sheet out enough. Also the kite tended to stay higher in the window which made edging less effective.

Is there a way to adjust the lines so that I can fully sheet out without compromising my stance?

P.S. I did use the depower strap to about half way, any more than that I felt was not desirable as the kite became too sluggish.


Hi Rodno
Try this for a little trick power lines set on the 2ndknot from the kite and the steering lines on the last knot furtherest away from the kite. this will give your back lines a little more slack and also when you sheet in it will also no tilt your kite fully open to the wind, and also you must get used to edging harder by pointing ur board nose further up wind and also drop the kite lower closer to the water when you feel you are too over powered as this will help stall the kite.
Flying the kite higher in the wind will just pull you off your edge, these new kite are not a sle kite but lead more to c-shape kite which fly totally differant and and once you master it you will have alot more fun than a bow or hybrid...
the reason why the kite feals slugish when you depower to much is cause your steering lines are too slack trim your kite to give you max power when bar is pulled down towards chicken loop. and you have to learn to edge to kill the power not throw the bar away.... true fly the correct kite for the correct wind....fly the gust and work the kite in the luls..

OR BALSS TO THE WALL DUDE ......LIVE TO FLY ......CIAO


Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
31 Dec 2012 2:48pm
I found making sure the harness was really tight helped a lot when powered up. Closer the hook is to your guts, the more length you have with your arms to sheet out.

Also, leaning your whole body out to balance the kite is important. I've found the times I've gone poo, when overpowered is because I havnt thrown my whole body weight out onto the kite.
oceanfire
oceanfire
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
31 Dec 2012 4:39pm
Dave Whettingsteel said...
Also, leaning your whole body out to balance the kite is important. I've found the times I've gone poo, when overpowered is because I havnt thrown my whole body weight out onto the kite.


Yep, I've found that having my 11m out in similar conditions I can lean right over and edge hard to control the kite, rathe than relying on having to sheet out as much.

Edging hard and pointing the board upwind to control the kite's power is a good skill to learn rather than having to rely on sheeting out so much.
GarryA
GarryA
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
1 Jan 2013 10:02am
oceanfire said...
Dave Whettingsteel said...
Also, leaning your whole body out to balance the kite is important. I've found the times I've gone poo, when overpowered is because I havnt thrown my whole body weight out onto the kite.


Yep, I've found that having my 11m out in similar conditions I can lean right over and edge hard to control the kite, rathe than relying on having to sheet out as much.

Edging hard and pointing the board upwind to control the kite's power is a good skill to learn rather than having to rely on sheeting out so much.


true words spoken
Rodno
Rodno
32 posts
32 posts
1 Jan 2013 6:13pm
radman4 said...
try playing with the shoulder settings they make a big diff,was out on my 8 park in 18 gusting 38+ was starting to get hauled so came in swapped to the upper setting and way different felt like it turned my 8 into a 6.


Hey, thanks. Are you referring to the three different positions you can attach the lines on the leading edge itself? If so Ill give it a go.

GarryA said...
Try this for a little trick power lines set on the 2ndknot from the kite and the steering lines on the last knot furtherest away from the kite. this will give your back lines a little more slack and also when you sheet in it will also no tilt your kite fully open to the wind
....
the reason why the kite feals slugish when you depower to much is cause your steering lines are too slack trim your kite to give you max power when bar is pulled down towards chicken loop.
....


I'll see if I can play around with the knots to reduce the angle of attack, if that's what you meant.

On my smaller ozone kites, I can handle quite a bit of gust by keeping the kite low and edging without compromising my stance, and as you guys have pointed out really committing to the lean is important - and hence my confusion. On my 10m C4 I am comfortable to mid 20's and probably can go higher without going into poo stance, so I'd have thought I should be comfortable to 20 knots in the 12m park, but no. I think I was in poo stance in 20 knots.

So it's either that park's top end is lower and I was actually way over powered OR the line/bar/kite is not tuned right for me (the previous owner was a taller guy with looong arms), and hence my question.

What I'll try next is:
1. Use my ozone bar and lines on the naish to rule out the bar and line setup
2. Try lenghtening the back lines, either by attaching it further from the leading edge or playing with the bar settings, or both, to see if I can pull the bar a bit more
3. Go out on a lighter and less gusty day..

To be fair to the park, I only had 2 hours on the water in gusty conditions. Hopefully the kite will prove itself.
pomE
pomE
NSW
164 posts
NSW, 164 posts
7 Feb 2013 10:50am
Did you try adjusting the knots under the floats? There's three knot options under the floats. Knot 'A' as the manual calls it should give you more depower and allow you to ride with the bar close to the chicken loop without the kite stalling also.
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