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Spitfire
Spitfire
WA
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29 Feb 2012 4:40pm
Hi. I have been kiting for about 4 months now. Have progressed to be able to do some pretty big jumps, upwind, sliding turns etc etc. I have used a seat harness since I started. I see all the pros wear a waist harness. Can someone please give me an idea on the pros and cons of both. Im sure there is a reason why the pros don't use seat harness.....

Regards

Sam
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
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29 Feb 2012 11:46pm
I'm surprised you are up to the point of doing "pretty big jumps" and still wearing a seat harness. Seat harnesses are quite hard to find in kite shops nowadays. Unless you are heavily overweight or you are into course racing, a waist harness is the way to go. Seat harnesses will encourage you to have a "pooh stance" and will limit the movements from your hips and legs. Just get yourself a quality comfortable waist harness and I guarantee you'll never want to look at your seat harness again.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
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1 Mar 2012 1:43pm


^^^ this dude sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

seat harnesses are awesome for cruising around doing big boosty jumps and stuff..

They can be restrictive in the surf, but that's when you bust out the waist harness..

You can ride around for hours in a seat harness and not have to adjust it any where near as much as a waist harness..

As for poo stance, either you have it or you don't, harness doesn't influence style as much as styleless people think
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
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1 Mar 2012 11:11am
theDoctor said...



^^^ this dude sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about.



Please explain to me why only a small minority of people have seat harnesses nowadays? Would you go and tell everyone on the beach with a waist harness that they don't know what they're doing and they should go back to seat harness?
Ciscoexpert
Ciscoexpert
NSW
58 posts
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1 Mar 2012 3:59pm
cbulota said...

theDoctor said...



^^^ this dude sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about.



Please explain to me why only a small minority of people have seat harnesses nowadays? Would you go and tell everyone on the beach with a waist harness that they don't know what they're doing and they should go back to seat harness?




'cause "Seat harnesses are quite hard to find in kite shops nowadays."
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
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1 Mar 2012 4:44pm
Try both, settle on the one you like best.
There are limitations and advantages for each. This has been discussed many times on this forum.

Seat harnesses are not quite hard to find in kite shops nowadays.

BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
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1 Mar 2012 3:56pm
I know quite a few people, including my wife, who are now wearing boardshort harnesses, mainly the dakine ones. Most of them still own waist harnesses but say they wouldn't go back to them. I'll stick with a waist harness as they give me good back support but if you were considering a seat harness, surely the shorts would be the go?
juicerider
juicerider
WA
790 posts
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1 Mar 2012 3:00pm
I had to wear a seat harness once for a couple of months, due to a broken rib.
The main difference I noticed was that, even with board shorts on it made my package appear bigger and this intimidated other kitesurfers around me.
Spitfire
Spitfire
WA
398 posts
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1 Mar 2012 6:52pm
juicerider said...

I had to wear a seat harness once for a couple of months, due to a broken rib.
The main difference I noticed was that, even with board shorts on it made my package appear bigger and this intimidated other kitesurfers around me.


haha. Maybe I should keen my seat harness on when i go on the town if it makes my pakage look huge lol .It does give me a massive wedgey every once and a while. Im terrified that a nut will get stuck under the leg strap and get squashed. Yeah jumping doesnt seem to be a problem with the seat harness and we rarely get and surf/swell so that isnt a problem. I live in north west W.A and havent been to Perth since I started kiting. When im down next I will have to go into a shop and try a few waist harnesss on for size.....then buy one off seabreeze second hand :)
arwilson
arwilson
QLD
24 posts
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4 Mar 2012 4:15pm
I used the Dakine Nitrous shorts for years (I'm wearing them in my pic), despite unsuccessfully experimenting from time to time with a waist harness "to be like every one else".
Those shorts worked very well for me, particulary after fitting the dakine turning bar, (that rotates 90 degrees to the horizontal).

I could never get the tension on the waist harness right. Too loose and it would ride up under my pits, making it bloody difficult to reach for the bar if i had to let it go, too tight and it would not rotate during toe side to heel side transitions which was a real pissa as I was really determined to be a kite surfer rather than a kite boarder.

A mate of mine handed me a cabrinha waist harness last year, fitted it very loosely on me (tucking away the velco inner strap), told me to always wear a rashly, or stay wet to minimise any friction ... and guess what, I'm now "just like every body else" on a waist harness !

but those Nitrous shorts sure worked for me, keeping the hook nice and low just where I wanted it !

RPM
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4 Mar 2012 4:37pm
cbulota said...

Unless you are heavily overweight or you are into course racing



Have you ever worn a seat harness cbulota?? Because you actually are quite chunky. If you haven't you should try and limit your stupidity for those who will listen to you. The school that you work for, AKS stocks ION B2 shorts and they are quite popular. Maybe people with back problems or people who have sustained injuries like broken ribs ect from pushing themselves might need an alternative to a normal waist harness. Additionally they can be good for learners as it pulls from underneath and not from the chest. At the end of the day it's a personal choice..

Once you have a couple of cracked ribs you will be happy to use a seat for a few weeks.The main point is get a harness that fits correctly. Anything that get's people comfortable and on the water can't be a bad thing. Waist or seat who cares...
theDoctor
theDoctor
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4 Mar 2012 7:40pm


hehe, chunky cbulota
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
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4 Mar 2012 6:51pm
RPM said...

cbulota said...

Unless you are heavily overweight or you are into course racing



Have you ever worn a seat harness cbulota?? Because you actually are quite chunky. If you haven't you should try and limit your stupidity for those who will listen to you. The school that you work for, AKS stocks ION B2 shorts and they are quite popular. Maybe people with back problems or people who have sustained injuries like broken ribs ect from pushing themselves might need an alternative to a normal waist harness. Additionally they can be good for learners as it pulls from underneath and not from the chest. At the end of the day it's a personal choice..

Once you have a couple of cracked ribs you will be happy to use a seat for a few weeks.The main point is get a harness that fits correctly. Anything that get's people comfortable and on the water can't be a bad thing. Waist or seat who cares...


Yes, you are correct I forgot to mention chronic back pain and injuries is another good reason to choose a seat harness over a waist harness. And yes is it down to personal choice, but like the vast majority of kiters who have first began kiting with a seat harness, I quickly found them too restrictive in terms of waist and leg movements. Our school now has two Flying Objects combo harnesses in XL size for the convenience of some of our students.

If seat harnesses were a better option for most people you'd think they would be far more popular ?

That being said, which seat harness would you recommend for my unhooking and wave riding progression, waist size 34 inches ?
MUKM
MUKM
VIC
2 posts
VIC, 2 posts
24 Apr 2012 12:59am
I like a harness that supports the back. When I face plant and my legs go over my arse goes over my head (which happens more than i want to admit), the waist harness seems to provide a little more support. It just could be that brand/model of seat harness I've used during my initial lessons.

Mark
Pat1
Pat1
VIC
19 posts
VIC, 19 posts
24 Apr 2012 11:45am
Ive used both, and i way prefer waist harnesses. I found with the seat harness, it was a lot easier to learn to get up and ride, as the kite pulled you up more, than like a forward pull of the waist harness, the bar is also closer to your body and can be more comfortable for some.
I like the waist harness more because it can slide around your body a little bit, meaning that riding toeside / blind is a bit more comfortable. Also the position of the spreader bar on the waist harness makes it a lot easier to unhook / rehook than the position of the spreader bar in the seat harness.
But thats all my opinion.
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
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25 Apr 2012 8:36pm
cbulota said...
If seat harnesses were a better option for most people you'd think they would be far more popular ?


Does Kelly Slater wear a floppy surf hat and paddle gloves???
'People' (majority) will wear what the pros use, no matter how it suits that person.

cbulota said...
That being said, which seat harness would you recommend for my unhooking and wave riding progression, waist size 34 inches ?


None, surf = waist harness. Seat are too restrictive and don't allow for twist through the hips which you want for advanced tricks on flat water and in the surf. Ie, thats why the pros use waist harnesses.
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