Completely new to kiting, how many lessons?

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bradyj
bradyj
WA
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23 Sep 2014 11:02pm
Looking to get into Kitesurfing, starting with some lessons. Before I launch into them though I was wondering how many lessons it will take before I'm able to go solo? Is it worth paying for the longer 3 hour sessions or will a single hour get me going.

I am starting from scratch with kite surfing as I've never tried it though I do surf and skateboard so hopefully the board riding will cross over. And with a mention of boards is it worth buying a twin tip or will I be able to progress with an old surfboard if I chuck some straps on it.

Thanks!
kitercanar
kitercanar
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
24 Sep 2014 12:07am
Better than asking for the time you´ll need to go solo, is to ask for a good instructor. Probably in 3 days (that depends on the person) in the water, you´ll be able to kite few seconds downwind. Then when you finish your lessons it will take you some more sessions to go upwind. I recommend to kite with a experienced mate, which will take care of you when riding alone. I think only 1 hour won´t be enough...
eabmoto
eabmoto
95 posts
95 posts
24 Sep 2014 12:09am
I took one 4hr lesson and then I was lucky to have a couple friends who stood by me while I flew the kite and drug myself around for a weekend. After that I was on my own, always at a beach with other kiters that would rescue me if things got serious. It depends on what you're comfortable with. Lots of people want to take lessons till they're up and riding. I think if you have a lot of respect for the power of the kite, and know what situations can lead to trouble, it's possible to do a lot on your own. You won't be up and riding after an hour lesson, but after a few hours with an instructor, you'll know what you can do to progress on your own. It all depends on how well you understand the dangers.
eabmoto
eabmoto
95 posts
95 posts
24 Sep 2014 12:33am
If your goal is to ride strapless, I don't see a need to start with them, I've never used them, otherwise, straps are fine, but a typical surfboard is not the best board to learn on. A flatter board, less rocker, is much better. I used a liquid force kite fish.
djt91184
djt91184
QLD
1211 posts
QLD, 1211 posts
24 Sep 2014 2:38am
As many as it takes to feel comfortable, launching landing inverted kites. I dont think it is a extreme sport compared to some others but I have been in some extremely dangerous situations. Learn the safety systems first thing and youll be sweet as. Lessons in asia are much cheaper depending when sbd where constant wind for proggrrsion. My two bobs worth anyway
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
24 Sep 2014 5:02am
Get your hands on a smallish foil kite and fly the ** outta it before you do your lessons.

This will reduce the amount of time you need to have an instructor by your side, because you'll come into the lessons with an understanding of the wind window and power zones etc, and the steering will feel a bit more natural.
Jim621
Jim621
WA
47 posts
WA, 47 posts
24 Sep 2014 7:55am
Id recommend at least one 2h lesson with a professional instructor to learn the basics of the wind and the basic safety systems on the kite. At the end of this lesson they should have you body dragging around in the water (no mention of the board yet).
do as many more lessons (either with an instructor or competent friend) as it takes to get confident setting up your kite on your own, and launch and land assisted.

After that id just spend a few hours on your own just body dragging and getting used to the power and traits of the kite (again no board involved) but get a friend to watch you setup the kite to make sure you don't do anything wrong, and to launch your kite for you. for landing when you are a million miles down the beach id just pull the safety and let it fall from the sky.

the rest anyone else who has had lessons should be able to teach you (drop kite into power zone, point board downwind, sign the kite and start edging the board across wind).
Steve
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
24 Sep 2014 1:10pm
Your background in boards sports will come in very handy when you get to the stage of riding on your board, but unfortunately has little to nothing to do with learning to fly a kite. It's a bit like combining two sports: kite flying and wakeboarding/surfing

Everyone reacts differently when comes the time to learn to control a kite. I've had many very experienced surfers who were simply not ''natural'' with kite flying and needed a few extra hours of lessons just to get decent kite control and get used to the power of the kite.

Your first lesson is the most important and at the end of it your instructor should be able to assess your skills and recommend the best course of action depending on your own learning pace and recommend a certain amount of lessons or practice time you will likely need.

My best advice is to try and pace yourself: don't try to take shortcuts and beware of people telling you things like ''you will be up and riding in just 4 hours''.

Shallow water areas are very easy to learn in where you can feel safe and can progress to the board in 3-4 hours with an instructor next to you. Unfortunately, those over-simplified teaching methods in those environments do little to prepare you to deep water kiting (most common locations) and the one as a surfer where you'll likely spend the most time...

These days, lessons are becoming more based on delivering a fast paced thrilling experience with constant hands-on assistance rather than genuinely preparing you to become independent and safe when practicing on your own. The difference between the two is huge and mostly noticeable in deep waters when beginners get in trouble or fail to recover their boards (just look at the lost and found section in the middle of the season )

Flying a 2-line trainer kite can help, but I wouldn't recommend ''flying the $hit out of it'' without supervision or exercises to follow. Although it can be a lot of fun, this usually leads to learning dangerous flying habits that have little to do with your first experience of flying an inflatable kite and can become difficult to break during your lessons. A more efficient way to prepare for your lessons is to get your hands on the beginner progression DVD and read the forum, watch learning videos online, etc.

As per the board, I would recommend to even the most experienced and skilled surfer to at least learn on a twin tip until competent going upwind and doing transitions before going onto a surfboard, even if it has straps.

Hope this helps,

Christian
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
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24 Sep 2014 3:11pm
bradyj said..
Looking to get into Kitesurfing, starting with some lessons. Before I launch into them though I was wondering how many lessons it will take before I'm able to go solo? Is it worth paying for the longer 3 hour sessions or will a single hour get me going.

I am starting from scratch with kite surfing as I've never tried it though I do surf and skateboard so hopefully the board riding will cross over. And with a mention of boards is it worth buying a twin tip or will I be able to progress with an old surfboard if I chuck some straps on it.

Thanks!



eabmoto said..
If your goal is to ride strapless, I don't see a need to start with them, I've never used them, otherwise, straps are fine, but a typical surfboard is not the best board to learn on. A flatter board, less rocker, is much better. I used a liquid force kite fish.



I never had lessons, spent 30 hours playing with a foil and was up on the tt and riding downwind within 5 mins - took a few weeks to start getting upwind and learning control with one hand, self launch was easy, self land I still flag out occasionally.

If you don't know the kit lessons will teach you what does what (pretty simple but worthwhile) and how a kite flies - hardest thing to learn at the start was stopping the kite and keeping it in one place.

The accidents (lessons) I have had have all happened when actually doing the sport and no amount of lessons could have prevented them, getting tea bagged happens, first kite loop hurts, fins are sharp, lines break...

Still bummed about flying downwind of the newb who crashed his kite into mine snapped my lines and tore my leading edge but lesson learned...
mind you the IKO watching from the beach did tell me this after I swam in....
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
24 Sep 2014 3:49pm
Chris_M said..
Get your hands on a smallish foil kite and fly the ** outta it before you do your lessons.

This will reduce the amount of time you need to have an instructor by your side, because you'll come into the lessons with an understanding of the wind window and power zones etc, and the steering will feel a bit more natural.


Why the red thumb?
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
25 Sep 2014 7:34am
When I learnt to kite I decided to take as many lessons as I needed until I felt comfortable going out on my own. Between lessons in Perth and Gero I finished up spending maybe $500. I know that can be a lot for some people, but to be honest I felt it was a bargain to get up to speed in a technical and risky sport. If you are committing to learn to Kitesurf and not just having a play, having a reasonable budget for lessons pays off many times in progression, safety and making the whole experience a pleasure.
glasstraxx
glasstraxx
WA
321 posts
WA, 321 posts
26 Sep 2014 3:06pm
great posts here as you can see everyone learns at a different pace. i only had 4 hours of lessons..

I also recommend getting a two lined foil kite, take it down to the beach or park and fly it for about 10 hours. If you can get an old bar and attached it to the lines so you get used to pulling the bar to turn the kite. here is the one i used http://www.flexifoil.com/powerkites/bigbuzz

this will mean that in your first two hour lesson you will be able to learn how to set up, move the kite over the window, body drag down wind & begin to body drag upwind within 2 hours.

If you dont have any two line kite flying experience you may take up to an hour and a half to learn how to control the kite.

In the next two hour lesson You can then take another 30mins learning to bodydrag upwind & learn self rescue and then spend an hour water starting.

I didnt want to spend any more money so

after then i just went out on my own at a well known area and practised heaps! do it where you learnt so there are people to assist if you have a kitemare, which is 100% certain!

If you practise every windy day you'll be able to get upwind in around 2 weeks. BE PREPARED FOR A LOT OF WALKING!
weebitbreezy
weebitbreezy
635 posts
635 posts
26 Sep 2014 5:51pm
Best thing I got out of my lessons was all the safety information. They covered weather patterns, judging kite size for the conditions, emergency pack downs, how to untangle lines and a whole load more useful stuff. Its this safety information that I think is difficult to find out (as you don't know what to ask about) without knowing a course syllabus.

The other useful thing about lessons is that the instructor can take the kite to give you a break (you will spend a good deal of time at first walking/wading upwind which is way more tiring than you think).

But the safety stuff is good. It gives you confidence that makes your progression quicker because know you what is and isn't monumentally foolish.
KiwiDave
KiwiDave
VIC
192 posts
VIC, 192 posts
27 Sep 2014 9:12am
I reckon the IKO have it right.

1st lesson 1 hour on the beach
2nd lesson 2 hours in the water without a board
3rd less on 2 hours in the water with a board

That was enough to make me feel safe in the water and to be sure that I was sufficiently into the sport to buy my own equipment. I got out a few times on my own after that but have also had two further 1hr lessons and will have at least one more.

A copy of this DVD helped me to get the most out of my lessons.
http://www.kitepower.com.au/progression-kiteboarding-beginner.html

I have sailed something since I learnt to walk, but the initial learning curve for this sport is steep. I found it initially much harder to learn than windsurfing but can see that at the end of my first season I will be as good at kitesurfing as I was at windsurfing after a couple of years.

Once you have your own equipment there will be days where there is too much wind or too little wind for your one kite. That is a great opportunity to have an extra lesson using the instructors bigger/smaller kite and to learn a new skill and put off buying a second kite for a little while.
ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1007 posts
WA, 1007 posts
27 Sep 2014 9:21am
Hi Guys,

cbulota works for us and I can tell you he is pretty much on the money with his advice. Glasstraxx is right in that you can get up and riding like that, but the problem with his method is that he has enough knowledge to start out, but not enough to not make mistakes. By then learning at a particular beach as he mentioned he has then relied on others to help save him from his kitemares. This is a little unfair on the spot and the riders there. No one minds if you get into trouble and need a hand, but if you are showing that you don't have the skills and are creating potential kitemares and a lack of kite handling skills which may endanger others and interrupt the local riders ride time, you may not be well regarded.

I would suggest getting hold of a decent trainer kite and flying it for about 10 hours, then taking at least two 2hr lessons, that should get you past the kook stage where you lack the kite control to be a safe member of the kiting crew.

You can actually learn to kitesurf without lessons by simply watching online tutorial videos etc, however, in this day and age, there are very few shallow water locations that aren't crowded with people, and this is what you would need. You have a very good chance of seriously hurting yourself. One decent lofting accident (which is common for unskilled kite noobs self learning) could see you badly injured (broken ankle, broken leg, broken collar bone, busted ribs or much worse). All of these incidences will see you off the water for weeks and even months and potentially off work too?

Self learning is a long and harrowing experience with many crashes and damage to your equipment. Probably take you a couple of months to learn to ride upwind. On the other hand, you could spend between 500-600 dollars and short cut all the pain and frustration and be up and riding safely and quickly and becoming a safe and competent member of the kiting community in just a couple of weeks or even days.

When nothing goes wrong the sport is relatively safe, however, it's when things go wrong that the sport goes from a fun skim across the water to a nightmare you wake from in hospital. Many have died from kiteboarding, many of them experienced kiters, so to say it is a safe sport would be highly understating the danger.

Take lessons from a reputable school and avoid being the kook on the beach that everyone talks about.

DM
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
29 Sep 2014 11:14am
Generally 3 lessons is the norm. So do your research, find a good instructor that people were genuinely stoked with and start from lesson # 1.
A good instructor will save you more than just time wasted teaching yourself stuff that doesn't work. They will get you on good gear increasing your joy & saving your hip pocket much pain.
BraydenBunter
BraydenBunter
WA
6 posts
WA, 6 posts
29 Sep 2014 6:47pm
bradyj said..
Looking to get into Kitesurfing, starting with some lessons. Before I launch into them though I was wondering how many lessons it will take before I'm able to go solo? Is it worth paying for the longer 3 hour sessions or will a single hour get me going.

I am starting from scratch with kite surfing as I've never tried it though I do surf and skateboard so hopefully the board riding will cross over. And with a mention of boards is it worth buying a twin tip or will I be able to progress with an old surfboard if I chuck some straps on it.

Thanks!


Hey mate, i kite locally in Geraldton and the kite school there is fantastic. The average person will take 6 hours worth of lessons. Obviously not all 6 hours at once. They are cheap and extremely experienced. They will introduce you to the sport and get you going on brilliant gear at a great price. Im pretty sure the prices are $88 an hour, and $220 for a 3 hour package all 1 on 1 coaching. Heres their website for more details :) www.kitewest.com.au

Goodluck getting out on the water!
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