"Distance is you friend"

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AlphaBravo
AlphaBravo
QLD
8 posts
QLD, 8 posts
29 Dec 2015 12:59pm
This is my first season kiting. It's incredible fun, but also incredibly dangerous. My instructor taught me to respect the kite, but still I find myself doing things that are dangerous. When you are new, there are so many things to think about. It's really easy to not consider every risk and manage them all appropriately.

With the benefit of hindsight I can sometimes see when I've done something stupid. I try to make a mental note not to make that mistake again. But I still find myself repeating some mistakes. But one thing I am trying hard to learn and embed in my mind is that "distance is my friend".

Yesterday at Victoria Point a guy was trying to launch on the sand, but he was fairly close to a tree up on the bank. He was being assisted by a friend. In the strong wind, things went wrong and he got dragged across the sand. A guy I was talking with saw what was unfolding and sprinted towards the tree, yelling for the guy to pull his safety. Fortunately the guy pulled his safety in time as his kite flew into the tree. Could have been very disastrous.

This morning I read a thread about the guy at Sandgate yesterday who came unstruck in a big way. I presume he ended up in hospital. Hope he's OK.

I've read a few comments from experienced kite surfers criticizing inexperienced newbies for doing stupid things, for not realising how dangerous this sport can be. But the reality is, there will always be newbies. Without newbies, kites would be ten times more expensive. Actually, without newbies none of us would be in this forum. But for us newbies the dangers are possibly worse because often we don't even realise that they are there.

My instructor drummed it in to me "distance is your friend". Stay away from obstacles. When something goes wrong, sand is more forgiving than rocks, trees or any other hard obstacle.

There have been too many accidents where people have hit solid obstacles when something has gone wrong. Some of these accidents could have been avoided, if there was more distance between the kite and the obstacle.

I'd just like to stress the following point: If you are new, don't launch or land close to obstacles.

Yes this is difficult because the experienced kite surfers generally launch close to where they want to pack up. As newbies we might want to fit in with the crowd and do what the rest of the crowd is doing. I've done this a few times myself, but I never feel comfortable in the process.

I need to keep telling myself:
"it's more important to be safe than it is to fit in" and
"other kiters don't mind walking 100m from the grass to help me launch or land"

My question for this forum is: How experienced do you need to be before you can launch or land close to solid objects
blueprint
blueprint
WA
321 posts
WA, 321 posts
29 Dec 2015 11:59am
AlphaBravo said..

My question for this forum is: How experienced do you need to be before you can launch or land close to solid objects



There is no answer to your question unfortunately, regardless of experience distance will always be your friend, I see plenty of safety related incidents many of them related to behaviour in my day job. The problem with experience is it can and does build complacency to the risks and generally you see these play out in either total newbies learning the task (not aware of the risk) or the very experienced (seen the risk so many times and dealt with it, no longer seems like a risk).

Regardless of skill distance is always your friend, that said nothing is perfect and there are tradeoffs so when the situation arises you'll have to decide for yourself based on your skills, experience, available help, conditions and no doubt a bunch of other things what the best way forward is (watch what others are doing, think about what could go wrong, learn all the different ways to launch from land, water boats etc.). at the end of the day though the decision to launch and how to do it can only sit with one person but if you are not sure of it don't do it, can't have doubts spinning through your head when it goes to custard.
Kozzie
Kozzie
QLD
1451 posts
QLD, 1451 posts
29 Dec 2015 9:15pm
AlphaBravo said..


My question for this forum is: How experienced do you need to be before you can launch or land close to solid objects


the possibility's are endless for a accident to occur even for pro's. even world champions forget to do a buckle or a clip here or there (particularly when testing new equipment) sometimes and sadly sometimes that results in fatalitys.

you need to have so many things ticked off your little safety list good to go groove whatever it is before you launch ANYWHERE net alone near an obstacle. and every site is different with its own set of rules and hazards.

the real question is why would you want to launch near a rock or hazard?

going to need to know your specific spot before can give any help with that really. just keep in mind a 10m kite can pull a 50 foot yacht and those 250-500kg lines will deglove your fingers
AlphaBravo
AlphaBravo
QLD
8 posts
QLD, 8 posts
30 Dec 2015 6:52am
Kozzie, that certainly is a really good question, "why would you want to launch near a rock or hazard?" Yet at the majority of places that I've been kiting, a percentage of people launch and land near trees, posts, rocks or walls. When us nubies come along there is the temptation to follow the crowd rather than put safety first.


fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
30 Dec 2015 2:51pm
Simple answer to your question.
A........sometimes launching near hard objects is the only option.
B........sometimes people are lazy.
Just2807
Just2807
181 posts
181 posts
31 Dec 2015 12:49am
Experienced riders could be a little less penisheads regarding their critics. That attitude really kills the sport. They were noobs too and did mistakes, ALL OFF THEM. No need to be a freakin jerk. Only difference is, this guy got a meter or a knot 2 much. U had a knot or meter less, dividing u from a disaster too, but are unaware obviously.

I guess it's easier to crap on some1 after accident rather than maybe "babysit" for a couple of sec with 1 eye before anything happens. Friendly warning or whatever. Sure, u ain't there for babysitting, but when u need to unload your anus on some1.... BARK BARK BARK ! ! !

It's not like the guy intentionally went into trees or wanted to put in danger some1. Accidents happen, some u can stop, some u can't. Nobody is perfect.

I read in other post his injuries, sounds pretty bad even if they say he will be ok. I wish fast recovery!

I had a small "kitemare". Bought 1st kite, 12m switchy, no wind for 20 days. 1st windy day, 20+ kts with massive gusts. I didn't have harness. 1st time selflaunching. 1 steering line connected on LIGHT, other on LIGHTER. Result? Kiteloop. After 1st 360, i deployed safety, kite fallen in wind shadow so it didn't work properly, had small pull, not enough wind for kite to turn in "full" depower, nothing serious but... I tied chickenloop with that rope which comes with swimming pants (rofl), and pull ripped it off, making kite and lines a runnaway bride towards the rocks. I run down the beach ahead of the floating kite and swim for almost 500 m just to grab it and bring it back on the beach.

Why did i do that?
I was tired of youtubing and reading. Couldn't wait to do anything with the kite, i am sure some1 will understand.

Was i aware it was wrong and dangerous?
O yes, yes i did.

Did i make sure every1 else is safe including myself?
Yes, that was the plan if ANYTHING goes wrong which in this case did.

Picked a beach with no1 around, with couple of windshadows, made sure downwind is only the open sea or rocks about 1 km away where kite would end up for "picking up" if i disconnect from it.

Distance is for sure a friend. Sometimes only friend i would say.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
2 Jan 2016 9:58am
Yeah distance is your friend. But it may not be an option and It is one factor.
As an example I have one launch site that has a beach with down wind distance but ****ty gusty swirly wind because of an upwind cliff disturbing the wind. Or a spot that has cleaner wind that has obstacles close by. I choose the cleaner close obstacle option.

Just2807
Just2807
181 posts
181 posts
2 Jan 2016 3:20pm
I have 0 space for launching. 2 legal spots in 500 km's, and i am in the middle :D

Assisted launching lots of places, selflaunching.... I cant think of a spot where i could do it with 0 hazard. I totally understand!
I just try to position my self where nothing is downwind and no1.

There is a perfect beach at my hometown with zillions of space, but nonlegal kiting spot. Also, lots of children, dogs and cars there. In case of an accident, jailbait!
loftywinds2
loftywinds2
185 posts
185 posts
4 Jan 2016 12:55pm
Yeah distance is your mate, but only when it's been at the right place, at the right time.

Try and kite off some of the beaches in Thailand? Hardly any room what so ever.
Kozzie
Kozzie
QLD
1451 posts
QLD, 1451 posts
5 Jan 2016 9:47pm
loftywinds2 said..
Yeah distance is your mate, but only when it's been at the right place, at the right time.

Try and kite off some of the beaches in Thailand? Hardly any room what so ever.



basicly any beach in any developing country. they have very relaxed laws about building bungalows on the waters edge where majority of the wallets wonder back and fourth. not to mention some of the diy powerlines swinging over the launch sites (if you could call them that) but hay few rupees or pesos and you can get a beachboy to give you a hand if there smart theyll even bring you a beer or a joint. id take a dodgey launch if it ment half time beers and bob marley rather then dog walkers and elderly contacting council complaining im ruining there million doller views

actually while im on about it.

im not trying to take the piss but some you blokes are getting on a bit.... can you start figureing out whose going to be the one writeing into the council everytime someone cracks a smile or walks with a spring in there step? because i cant see it among my circle of friends but every generation there must be a few so im trying to weed them out now figure out a cure or something for it before it happens to me or someone i know. ive given up trying to figure out what todays youth are doing when i heard the terms "youtuber or memer" used in a casual sentence, is that my first step into sending a mothball smellemail to the government going off my rocker about the hoverboarders being to noisey around the corner?
loftywinds2
loftywinds2
185 posts
185 posts
8 Jan 2016 10:08am
Kozzie said..

actually while im on about it.

im not trying to take the piss but some you blokes are getting on a bit.... can you start figureing out whose going to be the one writeing into the council everytime someone cracks a smile or walks with a spring in there step? because i cant see it among my circle of friends but every generation there must be a few so im trying to weed them out now figure out a cure or something for it before it happens to me or someone i know. ive given up trying to figure out what todays youth are doing when i heard the terms "youtuber or memer" used in a casual sentence, is that my first step into sending a mothball smellemail to the government going off my rocker about the hoverboarders being to noisey around the corner?


LOL What are you saying? We should dob in "happy" people!?
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
12 Jan 2016 2:20pm
AlphaBravo said..


My question for this forum is: How experienced do you need to be before you can launch or land close to solid objects


Very experienced in my view - at least 2 to 3 kite sessions and/or confidence with absolute kite control, depower, power, direction, sheeting and excellent judgement of distance between kite and other objects.

I've seen kiters kite their kites almost a metre away from the tree branches along the shores of Altona in Melbourne, and I've asked myself - **** that is close! But they know what they're doing. Not for beginners that's for sure.
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