Doing downwinders alone with no assist...

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drewpweiner
drewpweiner
WA
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17 Dec 2016 12:53pm
Sometimes I can't be bothered dealing with people and just want to kite alone, so i've got two options:

1: Park and walk up the beach with my kite-backpack, board and pump. Then wear the backpack with the pump inside it the whole way back to the car. Effectively neutralizing any need to drive back to the launch point. (question: any harm in getting your aluminium pump wet?)

2: Park car and ride my e-bike up to launching spot. Once finished, drive back and pick up bicycle, backpack and pump.

Plummet
Plummet
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17 Dec 2016 3:52pm
Nice!

Aluminium pump will corrode in time.
Maybe take a plastic ****ter?
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
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17 Dec 2016 7:29pm
Why not just ride back upwind? Or start off riding upwind then do a downwinder? That's what we do all the time.

How far are you planning on riding on your downwinder? We can usually get upwind in the same time it takes the other guys to load up and do the car shuffle.
toppleover
toppleover
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17 Dec 2016 7:39pm
Gorgo said...
Why not just ride back upwind? Or start off riding upwind then do a downwinder? That's what we do all the time.


That's what I do also but if conditions are right and no one is available - catch the bus back.
drewpweiner
drewpweiner
WA
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17 Dec 2016 7:00pm
Gorgo said..
Why not just ride back upwind? Or start off riding upwind then do a downwinder? That's what we do all the time.

How far are you planning on riding on your downwinder? We can usually get upwind in the same time it takes the other guys to load up and do the car shuffle.




I was talking about 2-3 kilometers and plus I am not comfortable with deep water/sharks and visually i feel it is nicer to hug the shore and try and ride the waves.

I wish there was some sort of flying fox with an elevator, that would be boss.

Another idea is to leave the pump somewhere secret there ALWAYS. Like dig a hole and put a box in there in the sand dunes. Then you can walk up wind 2 kilometres, pump it up and not worry about anything.
Gorgo
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17 Dec 2016 10:49pm
Our standard run is 4km upwind. We hug the shore. It's actually more fun to do the upwind leg mostly in the wave zone so you can have a bit of fun on the way. We used to do it on TT. It's a bit easier on a surfboard or a freeride race board.
Aspiremr
Aspiremr
WA
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18 Dec 2016 8:22am
Aluminium pump. LOL
drewpweiner
drewpweiner
WA
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18 Dec 2016 10:23am
Gorgo said..
Our standard run is 4km upwind. We hug the shore. It's actually more fun to do the upwind leg mostly in the wave zone so you can have a bit of fun on the way. We used to do it on TT. It's a bit easier on a surfboard or a freeride race board.


You must be in direct onshore then.

In WA we have straight cross-shore southerlies, even the dudes going upwind can barley maintain a stable position in parallel to the beach.
Rails
Rails
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18 Dec 2016 3:15pm
all i want for Christmas is a red thumb
Gorgo
Gorgo
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18 Dec 2016 7:31pm
drewpweiner said..

Gorgo said..
Our standard run is 4km upwind. We hug the shore. It's actually more fun to do the upwind leg mostly in the wave zone so you can have a bit of fun on the way. We used to do it on TT. It's a bit easier on a surfboard or a freeride race board.



You must be in direct onshore then.

In WA we have straight cross-shore southerlies, even the dudes going upwind can barley maintain a stable position in parallel to the beach.


Nope. Anything from straight cross-shore to cross-on. You just need to be well powered up. Kiteboards rock upwind. You just need to let yourself believe that it is possible, then put in the effort to make it happen.

Plan B. Pick a downwind destination with public transport or a taxi rank. Take some money and practice packing your gear and making yourself presentable for the ride back. It's still more fun to ride upwind in the first place.
Plummet
Plummet
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18 Dec 2016 4:45pm
unless on a foilboard I don't agree that its more fun upwinding on a standard board. Its just a grind and takes 5 to 10 times as long as the down wind section. Downwinders are sweet things to do.

I do like the public transport idea. Not that we have any thing usefull locally.

Isn't there a guy in perth who does an upwinder driving service?
drewpweiner
drewpweiner
WA
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18 Dec 2016 7:34pm
Gorgo said..

drewpweiner said..


Gorgo said..
Our standard run is 4km upwind. We hug the shore. It's actually more fun to do the upwind leg mostly in the wave zone so you can have a bit of fun on the way. We used to do it on TT. It's a bit easier on a surfboard or a freeride race board.




You must be in direct onshore then.

In WA we have straight cross-shore southerlies, even the dudes going upwind can barley maintain a stable position in parallel to the beach.



Nope. Anything from straight cross-shore to cross-on. You just need to be well powered up. Kiteboards rock upwind. You just need to let yourself believe that it is possible, then put in the effort to make it happen.

Plan B. Pick a downwind destination with public transport or a taxi rank. Take some money and practice packing your gear and making yourself presentable for the ride back. It's still more fun to ride upwind in the first place.


I'd love to know how you can travel up wind above 1 kilometer without having to go 100m out in to the ocean in straight cross-shore winds. Sounds impossible.
Kit3kat
Kit3kat
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19 Dec 2016 1:07am
What Gorgo describes isn't very realistic. A run of 4km upwind in optimal conditions (i.e. 30° upwind angle) with crosshore winds will mean that you are 2km from the shore while covering 3.5km. That's not shore hugging.


Gorgo
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19 Dec 2016 8:04am
You never know until you try. The more you try the easier it gets. I never go more than 500m from the wave zone, and if the angle is right, stay in the wave zone. It takes about 40 minutes to get 3-4km upwind.
VRBones
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19 Dec 2016 6:08am
drewpweiner said..
I'd love to know how you can travel up wind above 1 kilometer without having to go 100m out in to the ocean in straight cross-shore winds. Sounds impossible.

Tacking will slow down upwind progress, but you should be able to go upwind even with <20m tacks. Some beaches have a reverse sweep just outside the wave zone that makes shorter tacks (<50m) even better than longer ones for upwind speed. In general you should be able to upwind in straight cross-shore at walking pace (keep up with someone walking upwind on the beach) or better.

drewpweiner said..
2: Park car and ride my e-bike up to launching spot. Once finished, drive back and pick up bicycle, backpack and pump.

You could try this in reverse: drop off the bike at the end zone, then drive up to the launch spot. That way you can stow your bag & pump in the car and only expose the bike to theft.

Personally I'm with Gorgo. Going upwind solves the majority of your problems. Even tacking hard upwind between sets should extend your session significantly, or limit the amount of downwind that needs to be recouped.
drewpweiner
drewpweiner
WA
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19 Dec 2016 10:01am
VRBones said..

In general you should be able to upwind in straight cross-shore at walking pace (keep up with someone walking upwind on the beach) or better.





Gorgo said...
It takes about 40 minutes to get 3-4km upwind.


oh ok, I think I have my answerthen, thank you
Peterc150
Peterc150
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21 Dec 2016 11:59am
For one way downwinder I take a 30 litre waterproof backpack with kitebag, phone, money, travel card & thongs. Catching the tram/train back in Melbourne is no problem. You could add clothes if you don't want to travel back in your wetsuit.



More info and photos of recent Hampton to Port Melbourne/St Kilda downwinder www.peterskiteboarding.com/2016/12/strong-wind-bay-surf-and-downwinder-to.html


Plummet
Plummet
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21 Dec 2016 12:36pm
drewpweiner said..

VRBones said..


In general you should be able to upwind in straight cross-shore at walking pace (keep up with someone walking upwind on the beach) or better.








Gorgo said...
It takes about 40 minutes to get 3-4km upwind.



oh ok, I think I have my answerthen, thank you


But. The real cool downwinders are far longer than you can upwind. I did a 30km one the other day. Took 3 hours to downwind it!... ...

mind you that wasn't nigel no mates.
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