Downwind technique

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Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
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10 May 2016 10:42am
May sound like a silly question. I have started doing some downwinders but still struggle with the technique of keeping the kite powered up. I mostly fly figures of 8 and am on a broad reach both sides of the wind but even that gets the slines slack sometimes.
Do I need to loop the kite regularly? What's the best technique for going downwind?
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
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10 May 2016 12:40pm
Don't point too down-wind. Give something for the kite to work with.
Plummet
Plummet
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10 May 2016 1:27pm
Loop it, drift it, figure 8 it. cut back when line tension is lost, Jump to the moon. All good downwinding techniques.

Do what ever feels good an works at the time.

Hell you can even purposefully run at the kite then snap it back with a cut back if you want.

The more wind the better!
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
10 May 2016 4:27pm
The type of kite you fly makes a difference too. I started doing down winders on north rebels which I found quite a handful going a long way off the wind.
I changed to Neo's for wave riding, but found a lot better for down winders as they drift away from the wind so nicely and stay controllable without much pressure in the lines.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
10 May 2016 4:38pm
As Dave mentioned certain kites are a big benefactor, but actively flying to compensate helps, kite position in the window, board position, speed towards a static kite, best way is keep doing the dwinders it'll click
Mrknownothing
Mrknownothing
QLD
147 posts
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10 May 2016 7:13pm
Odd isn't it? My first couple of downwinders, everyone would blast off down wind, and heres me stuck at the starting position.
billob
billob
QLD
93 posts
QLD, 93 posts
10 May 2016 7:21pm
I find i try to edge less =lose power=lose speed. Keep mucking around with it and it will come- after doing this a few times i can't see me in the flatwater much more- waves makes it x10 the fun
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
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11 May 2016 12:58pm
Plummet said..

The more wind the better!


Yes, but without good front-line tension and directional control, the kite is useless.

Basic sailing 101
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
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11 May 2016 2:31pm
If you know you are only going to be doing broad reaches, then flying a slightly larger kite than you would normally use helps.
Plummet
Plummet
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11 May 2016 1:16pm
Loftywinds said..

Plummet said..

The more wind the better!



Yes, but without good front-line tension and directional control, the kite is useless.

Basic sailing 101


You don't always need front line tension. Though line tension should be the goal for a learner.

In high winds 30+ knots you can litterally scream full pace at the kite and still not be going the speed of the wind..... So it makes it heaps easier than trying to downwind in light wind.
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
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11 May 2016 8:28pm
As Plums said, in high wind getting your Kite to drift is easier but in lighter wind try doing a bottom turn or any maneuver that will slow your kite down so your Kite has time to catch up.
Wind speed/direction & also wave direction all play a part, most times on the east coast I find you have to chase your Kite.
As mentioned above, type of Kite has a huge impact on enjoyment.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
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13 May 2016 1:14pm
toppleover said..
As Plums said, in high wind getting your Kite to drift is easier but in lighter wind try doing a bottom turn or any maneuver that will slow your kite down so your Kite has time to catch up.
Wind speed/direction & also wave direction all play a part, most times on the east coast I find you have to chase your Kite.
As mentioned above, type of Kite has a huge impact on enjoyment.



Plummet said..

You don't always need front line tension. Though line tension should be the goal for a learner.

In high winds 30+ knots you can litterally scream full pace at the kite and still not be going the speed of the wind..... So it makes it heaps easier than trying to downwind in light wind.



Either way gents, the front lines have to have continuous tension, otherwise you'll either sink or get yanked off the board in a gust. I mean drifting is fine for abot 2 seconds, and eventually you'll need to be powered up again - whether you're down-winding or normal kiting.

I rest my case
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
16 May 2016 2:51pm
Yep, I found it nearly impossible also. Imagine direct down wind as a down slope of ski run. You'd only ever attach the downhill at 45 degrees. The analogy doesn't 100% work, but it is close enough.

If you find you're out running your kite (lines go slack) edge away from the kite get taught lines, and try again.

Directional boards are easier than twinny's in my opinion... but start off what you're used to and go from there.

Another thing to note is if you're travelling in the same direction as the kite, the relative wind speed is lower... so if its a 20knot day, and you're doing 5konts down wind... you've got a relative wind speed of 15 knots. You'd probably choose a bigger kite for a 15 knot day than a 20knot day.


Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
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16 May 2016 2:43pm
Loftywinds said..

toppleover said..
As Plums said, in high wind getting your Kite to drift is easier but in lighter wind try doing a bottom turn or any maneuver that will slow your kite down so your Kite has time to catch up.
Wind speed/direction & also wave direction all play a part, most times on the east coast I find you have to chase your Kite.
As mentioned above, type of Kite has a huge impact on enjoyment.





Plummet said..

You don't always need front line tension. Though line tension should be the goal for a learner.

In high winds 30+ knots you can litterally scream full pace at the kite and still not be going the speed of the wind..... So it makes it heaps easier than trying to downwind in light wind.




Either way gents, the front lines have to have continuous tension, otherwise you'll either sink or get yanked off the board in a gust. I mean drifting is fine for abot 2 seconds, and eventually you'll need to be powered up again - whether you're down-winding or normal kiting.

I rest my case


The front lines don't need to be tensions continuously. Though it is a good idea. On a wave face you can purposefully slack the lines watch the kite drop and then tension them back up before the kite hits the deck. I'm not saying that is what you should do as a beginner. I'm just saying its one technique to use when going down wind.

Some times its what is required.
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
17 May 2016 1:47pm
toppleover said..
As Plums said, in high wind getting your Kite to drift is easier but in lighter wind try doing a bottom turn or any maneuver that will slow your kite down so your Kite has time to catch up.
Wind speed/direction & also wave direction all play a part, most times on the east coast I find you have to chase your Kite.
As mentioned above, type of Kite has a huge impact on enjoyment.


I totally stuffed this up

I was as meant to say......any maneuver that will slow your board down so that your kite has time to catch up.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
17 May 2016 4:47pm
Ok good points here all round. I intuitively did it reasonably correct then out of the gate. Just wanted to make sure that it's normal to not go straight downwind but rather go frontside to backside basically at a broad reach to the wind while diving and looping the kite.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
18 May 2016 8:30am
Kajo said..
Ok good points here all round. I intuitively did it reasonably correct then out of the gate. Just wanted to make sure that it's normal to not go straight downwind but rather go frontside to backside basically at a broad reach to the wind while diving and looping the kite.


You could go straight downwind and loop, but it is much more fun to slalom.
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