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Drysuit ot Wetsuit for Autumn/Winter

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Created by amontesdeoca198 3 months ago, 17 Apr 2018
amontesdeoca198
NSW, 10 posts
17 Apr 2018 3:16PM
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What are your thoughts? I can get a second-hand Drysuit for almost the same price that a new Wetsuit.

Thanks

Fly on da wall
VIC, 588 posts
17 Apr 2018 4:57PM
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I used to use a hot and dry dry suit. Had a few others but the hot n dry sealed properly and I just wore long thermal underwear and top. Dry as a bone and the freezing water never got to my chest. I also used rip curl wetsuit gloves and a rip curl wetsuit hat and booties. Never got cold and I could come in and rest and change then put back on my dry gear and go back out again... I'll never put a wet cold wetsuit on again ever. I used to wAkeboard with it too..
And I didn't need to put boardies over it either cause they're COOL as!!

weebitbreezy
341 posts
19 Apr 2018 9:35PM
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I've had 2 seasons with my drysuit now. In my experience they aren't much warmer than a wetsuit - possibly slightly colder (disclaimer - I haven't ridden colder than 4c air temperature as I have wimpy hands that get too cold if I go any colder than that).

Where they score is in keeping warm off the water. You start warm. You don't get as cold rigging. You stay warmer derigging and you don't get cold getting changed to go home. The other big advantage is they dry quickly so you don't have that unpleasant wet feeling if you do 2 sessions in a day. Oh. And the lack of smell. This is the almost the biggest plus. Stealth lunchtime sessions where you don't stink the office with the smell of neoprene for the rest of the afternoon. Oh, and I don't worry about my car key getting drenched inside my drysuit.

But they need much more careful maintenance. Regular washing to unclog the breathibility. Proofing to make the water bead off and the seals need to be treated twice a year (or more) and zips pretty regularly. I'm a bit of a 'chuck it all in a bag and deal with it when I have time later' type and having to be more careful hasn't been the easiest conversion.

Pros and cons like everything. Just remember to splash out on the thermal underwear as it makes all the difference. Preferably something without a zip to wear away at the inside of the suit and make it leak.

ridgeydidge123
13 posts
20 Apr 2018 9:41AM
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You can't piss in a drysuit, which can be limiting at times. Also, any damage and the drysuit is useless. Wetsuits will still work if you hole them on a reef or something.

Fly on da wall
VIC, 588 posts
20 Apr 2018 12:52PM
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ridgeydidge123 said..
You can't piss in a drysuit, which can be limiting at times. Also, any damage and the drysuit is useless. Wetsuits will still work if you hole them on a reef or something.


Who would prefer to be cold and wet with stinking piss in ya wetsuit when you could be warm and dry?
Not me for 1..

ridgeydidge123
13 posts
20 Apr 2018 11:04AM
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It's just an option, you don't have to piss in it. Also its easy to flush while you are out there, just a bit more salt water. On the other hand in a dry suit its the end of your session - or at least an inconvenient break. Also good wetsuits are just as warm as drysuits for the most part, sometimes more so.

amontesdeoca198
NSW, 10 posts
20 Apr 2018 3:41PM
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Ok guys, thanks for all your answers. So is really up to me, but I can easily wear a wetsuit during winter, drysuit isn't a must. Now, how thick should be the wetsuit? 4/3 is enough? Any recommendation?

Thanks again guys

weebitbreezy
341 posts
25 Apr 2018 7:41PM
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How cold is your air and water temperatures?

You can layer up quite a bit to help the odd colder day. My 3/2 is fine if I add a impact vest and cag top (windproof thing) down to about 10c air temperature. Below that the 5/3 really starts make a difference but you don't half get cold getting changed in between.

Also, my drysuit has a pee zip in it. Theoretically I could kite back to the shallows if I was caught out. I have never used it though because I have bladder control

Kit3kat
QLD, 132 posts
29 Apr 2018 11:14PM
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you want to wear a dry suit in NEW SOUTH WALES? are you mad?

I used to use a dry suit in winter in the uk. There's quite a few benefits and unfortunately a lot of drawbacks really.

Benefits:
- Body dragging is somewhat more efficient, particularly upwind
- you get some extra flotation from the suit when in the water
- nice and warm. the warmth gets controlled by layers. I.e. some days I would wear just a tshirt and light jumper and usually shorts +- leggings or occasionally just the trousers I was wearing before. Other days I would wear a longsleeve shirt followed by a tshirt followed by a thick jumper. Ideally nylon or wool but you can mix some cotton in too really...
- warm feet
- When you are done with your session you can take the suit off and drive home. Takes like 30 seconds.

Drawbacks:
- first and foremost the suit traps air. You can release this a bit by trying to curl up and letting some air out via the seals but a significant amount still stays. This means that this air is gonna move in the suit. when you are in the water it will move to the top of the suit.
You will now become incredibly immobile. It is very hard to lift your feet out of the water and put them into footstraps because you a) need to invest quite a significant effort into lifting your legs and b) it becomes really tricky to reach forward and even pull the board towards you
You basically are like a beetle on its back and just very immobile.
Also, the moment will come where you will fall and crash into the water with the kite yanking you and your suit will really hamper your mobility while submerged.
I think this is less of an issue in more expensive suits which have a vent valve

- you need to wear boots/wetsuit shoes (usually 2 sizes larger than you normally would take). They don't fit in all footstraps.
- If you spend too much time swimming or standing in deep water the waterpressure on your feet can become quite painful
- i don't take the inability to pee as a negative. If you are out of the water it does not take long to undo the zipper and I have certainly never peed in my wetsuit either.

- dry suits need maintainance (!) You have to lubricate/wax/grease the zipper before every session and the suit will start to leak - often at the seams. That can be fixed but the tailor needs to occasionally make the suit a bit tighter when doing so which can cause problems.



Overall I do not really think it is worth it. For most kiters the cold gets more to the hands, feet and face anyways.

In England a lot of people wear 3mm wetsuits from May onwards if it is sunny - in 11-12`C water. With that in mind you should easy be able to wear 2mm or 3mm all year round in NSW...

amontesdeoca198
NSW, 10 posts
9 May 2018 10:32PM
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Kit3kat said..
you want to wear a dry suit in NEW SOUTH WALES? are you mad?

I used to use a dry suit in winter in the uk. There's quite a few benefits and unfortunately a lot of drawbacks really.

Benefits:
- Body dragging is somewhat more efficient, particularly upwind
- you get some extra flotation from the suit when in the water
- nice and warm. the warmth gets controlled by layers. I.e. some days I would wear just a tshirt and light jumper and usually shorts +- leggings or occasionally just the trousers I was wearing before. Other days I would wear a longsleeve shirt followed by a tshirt followed by a thick jumper. Ideally nylon or wool but you can mix some cotton in too really...
- warm feet
- When you are done with your session you can take the suit off and drive home. Takes like 30 seconds.

Drawbacks:
- first and foremost the suit traps air. You can release this a bit by trying to curl up and letting some air out via the seals but a significant amount still stays. This means that this air is gonna move in the suit. when you are in the water it will move to the top of the suit.
You will now become incredibly immobile. It is very hard to lift your feet out of the water and put them into footstraps because you a) need to invest quite a significant effort into lifting your legs and b) it becomes really tricky to reach forward and even pull the board towards you
You basically are like a beetle on its back and just very immobile.
Also, the moment will come where you will fall and crash into the water with the kite yanking you and your suit will really hamper your mobility while submerged.
I think this is less of an issue in more expensive suits which have a vent valve

- you need to wear boots/wetsuit shoes (usually 2 sizes larger than you normally would take). They don't fit in all footstraps.
- If you spend too much time swimming or standing in deep water the waterpressure on your feet can become quite painful
- i don't take the inability to pee as a negative. If you are out of the water it does not take long to undo the zipper and I have certainly never peed in my wetsuit either.

- dry suits need maintainance (!) You have to lubricate/wax/grease the zipper before every session and the suit will start to leak - often at the seams. That can be fixed but the tailor needs to occasionally make the suit a bit tighter when doing so which can cause problems.



Overall I do not really think it is worth it. For most kiters the cold gets more to the hands, feet and face anyways.

In England a lot of people wear 3mm wetsuits from May onwards if it is sunny - in 11-12`C water. With that in mind you should easy be able to wear 2mm or 3mm all year round in NSW...


Buddy, thanks a lot for all your explanation. I bought a DrySuit (because I got 70% off) but I won't use it, is already for sale on eBay. I will buy a needEssentials 3/2 wetsuit

Regards

djt91184
QLD, 1131 posts
4 Aug 2018 9:08PM
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I might buy it off you for the winter mornings on the sunshine coast



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