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Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
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29 Sep 2014 12:15pm
Hi guys,
I have been toying with the idea to pick up this hobby for a long time.
Previously I did a one day course at Botany Bay.
I now live in Manly close to the water and thought it's time to get serious about it.

I saw some amazing kite surfers at Manly beach yesterday and the conditions seemed great.
Manly beach can get very crowded and I would imagine it is not the place to go if you're not experienced in the sport.
I am a reasonably good sufer and wakeboarder, so was hoping this might help me a little. So here are my questions:

Are Northern Beaches generally a suitable place to learn to kitesurf?
Are there any schools up there?
Would I need to travel to Long Reef area in order to have a safe place to learn?
I haven't seen many kitesurfers in general around here (esp. compared to surfers). Is that because the conditions are often unsuitable for kite surfing?

I'm sure a few more questions will be raised by me as the discussion takes place here (hopefully) :)
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
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29 Sep 2014 3:19pm
Kajo said..
Hi guys,
I have been toying with the idea to pick up this hobby for a long time.
Previously I did a one day course at Botany Bay.
I now live in Manly close to the water and thought it's time to get serious about it.

I saw some amazing kite surfers at Manly beach yesterday and the conditions seemed great.
Manly beach can get very crowded and I would imagine it is not the place to go if you're not experienced in the sport.
I am a reasonably good sufer and wakeboarder, so was hoping this might help me a little. So here are my questions:

Are Northern Beaches generally a suitable place to learn to kitesurf?
Are there any schools up there?
Would I need to travel to Long Reef area in order to have a safe place to learn?
I haven't seen many kitesurfers in general around here (esp. compared to surfers). Is that because the conditions are often unsuitable for kite surfing?

I'm sure a few more questions will be raised by me as the discussion takes place here (hopefully) :)


Narrabeen has quite a number of kiters who kite from Narrabeen SLSC all the way down to the far south end of the beach and Fishermans Harbour.
The brave ones head out to the front on Long Reef!!!!

The local kite store is wssboards.com.au/ . They should be able to point you to some accredited instructors.

I seen quite a few threads in seabreeze where kiting is frowned on at Manly. So I am surprised to hear of kiters there.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
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NSW, 341 posts
29 Sep 2014 3:38pm
Thanks for your reply bigtone. Yes I haven't seen kitesurfers in Manly before in a long time. But y'day they were out in force there...

Thanks for pointing out Nara to me.

So how often is it possible to go out and have conducive conditions for kitesurfing?
Also from memory it took a while to set everything up etc until you actually hit the water and get going. What I like about surfing is I just grab my board and get going really quickly and I can surf most days (provided it's not completely flat).
Is that very different when kitesurfing?

The reason I ask is that I have family commitments and usually don't get much more than a 2hour slot Sat or Sun.
snalberski
snalberski
WA
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29 Sep 2014 2:33pm
I'm in WA so my conditions would be different from yours. In the on season which lasts 6 months I would estimate that I get an average of 4 days out of 7 of good conditions. When its at peak season you could get a spell of 3 weeks plus of good conditions everyday. I dont know how that compares with good surf days but I would guess it has a far greater hit rate which for me is a large attraction. Once your used to setting up your gear it should take no more than 15-20 mins max, and less to pack down. Once you get sucked in you'll probably find more time than a 2 hour slot on Sat or Sun.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
29 Sep 2014 4:42pm
I do think that that might be the case lol.

Another thing that I really am looking for is a community. Something that basically doesn't exist in surfing. It is a very egoistic sport if you know what I mean. No commeraderie, plenty of competition for the waves and often even arguing in the waves or worse.
This seems to get worse the more people are out and the less waves there are to share.

The helpful responses so far do paint a very different picture with kitesurfing which I would really enjoy. Different kind of people?
bigtone667
bigtone667
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30 Sep 2014 7:23am
I kite mainly from Umina up to Birubi with the NEWKS folks and Central Coast Kiteboarders, and they are a really awesome bunch of folks and very inclusive of young, old, frail and good.

I did a lot of kiting down in Kurnell when I first started and they are another really good crew.

If it is not blowing I will surf or do SUP. Two minutes to get into a wetty and off you go. If it blowing, and therefore ****e for surfing, I will kite and that takes ten minutes to Setup or five if I am in a mad rush.

I like all three activities, but give me kiting every time. Absolute rush.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
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30 Sep 2014 7:26am
And I kite all year round and average probably six hours every week during winter and probably 16 hours during summer.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
30 Sep 2014 11:53am
Wow that is a lot, I didn't realise you could kite that often. Does this apply to Sydney as well? Really reason I'm asking is because I haven't really seen many kite surfers in Sydney and always wondering what the reason for this was. Mind you I usually hang out at the non-kite beaches such as Bondi/Manly/Maroubra etc.
so that might be part of the reason.
antisense
antisense
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
30 Sep 2014 12:19pm
bigtone667 said..
And I kite all year round and average probably six hours every week during winter and probably 16 hours during summer.


You're obviously not married or have a very understanding wife
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
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30 Sep 2014 3:16pm
antisense said..

bigtone667 said..
And I kite all year round and average probably six hours every week during winter and probably 16 hours during summer.



You're obviously not married or have a very understanding wife


I was, then i wasn't, and now i am trying sort it.... we are both engaged in distracting hobbies (she rides dirt bikes)!!!!
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
30 Sep 2014 5:10pm
If you partner is engaged in a time consuming hobby of her own, at least you get plenty of time to do your own thing lol.

Another question that is concerning me a lot is safety. I used to be quite the risk taker (think snowboarding in avalance territory) but now with family have become rather risk averse. Too much to lose.
I know kitesuring used to be more dangerous when it was in its infancy.
Has this changed a lot? Do people hurt themselves or even die on a regular basis (esp. Sydneys Northern beaches which is where I would ride)?
Is it much more dangerous compared to regular surfing (which I do a lot and it can get hairy at times if the swell kicks up and you're tired...)?
antisense
antisense
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
30 Sep 2014 4:17pm
If you go into the sport with respect for the power of the kite and a knowledge of what can go wrong, why and how to prevent it, then you'll be fine. Make sure you get at least a few lessons and know your equipment before you head out, especially all of the safety systems. Definitely listen to the advice of people at your local as they're usually spot on and in my limited experience, kiters tend to look out for noobs and offer help when needed.

I still get nervous everytime I get ready to hit the water, but I think that nervousness is good as it keeps you sharp and stop you being complacent.
Phoney
Phoney
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
30 Sep 2014 9:04pm
Northern beaches doesn't blow as hard as Botany Bay, from what I've seen maybe 5 knots less. So if its 18-20 knots in the bay, and everyones out on 12's, forget it unless youve got a 17. Also correct if I'm wrong here, but there are little, if any flat water locations up there so that may make learning difficult, or even dangerous when the swell is up. Be prepared to have to drive down occasionally in the beginning.

Speaking of which, does anyone know when the season openers are on? They are usually in the first or second weekend of October. One in Narrabeen one at Dolls point.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
30 Sep 2014 10:11pm
Kajo said..
If you partner is engaged in a time consuming hobby of her own, at least you get plenty of time to do your own thing lol.

Another question that is concerning me a lot is safety. I used to be quite the risk taker (think snowboarding in avalance territory) but now with family have become rather risk averse. Too much to lose.
I know kitesuring used to be more dangerous when it was in its infancy.
Has this changed a lot? Do people hurt themselves or even die on a regular basis (esp. Sydneys Northern beaches which is where I would ride)?
Is it much more dangerous compared to regular surfing (which I do a lot and it can get hairy at times if the swell kicks up and you're tired...)?


Launching and landing probably account for the majority of accidents. Just make sure you kite with someone experienced and never say no to assistance.

You will have kitemares. Just work on limiting the damage.

I would suggest doing six months in botany bay (NE, SE, NW), swansea channel (NE), Umina (S, SE) in flat water before graduating to surf.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
1 Oct 2014 3:41pm
Thanks again for all the useful replies.
Ok I did not really intend to travel all the way to Botany Bay in order to pick up kitesurfing. Happy to do my training down there for a few days though.

Would you recommend buying a trainer kite and getting some serious experience flying it at the beach in Manly (if not too difficult)?

antisense
antisense
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
2 Oct 2014 9:59am
I flew a trainer for a while before the season I did my lessons and I think it definitely helped me to learn the very basics of kite control and the wind window. You will save some time and money if you to do lessons already being able to pilot a trainer kite.

Be warned though, flying a LEI is nothing like flying a trainer foil. They are completely different beasts but you'll figure that out quickly.

Just go take the plunge mate!!
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
2 Oct 2014 5:08pm
Thanks Antisense. I'm pretty excited actually to finally start...and so far the sense of community here has been wonderful and something I have been looking for (and never found while surfing...).
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