Getting up on the board

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CJai
CJai
QLD
32 posts
QLD, 32 posts
2 Aug 2013 10:23pm
Okay so I've had a couple of lessons before winter hit and bought a kite etc because my instructor said i was capable enough that I could go on by myself. Well I've since learned thats not quite the case. For the life of me I cannot get up on the board. I've googled videos, watched training videos and just cannot get it. I get up but than instantly faceplant. Any tips because I'm feeling a bit stupid.

Cheers
NSW, 4382 posts
2 Aug 2013 10:54pm
What you need to do is get some time on a trainer kite and get to know how the kite and the wind window, and the power the kite generates, are related.
There is no way to learn this relationship, other than by flying a kite. Some learn it very quickly, some don't, but you most definitely should not beat yourself up about the rate you learn it.
Often instructors pump your ego with claims you've "got it", but they are almost always then trying or "suggesting" that you should get your gear, from them, or the shop that employs them.

Anyway, the main thing here is that you will be diving the kite too deeply into the wind window, resisting the pull the kite generates by applying equal pressure to the board with both feet, instead of bending you rear leg and keeping the front leg straight. Progression "Beginner" video could help you, you can buy it online http://www.kitepower.com.au/progression-kiteboarding-beginner.html
Have you noticed there are 2 side to the wind window? And that you fly your kite predominantly in one half to go in one direction? So if you were leaving the beach and heading out to deeper water away from the beach and that direction was to your left, your right leg would be the one that remains bent, and your left is the one that remains straight?
Trainer kite, watch the video, you will get it!
fcalmon
fcalmon
QLD
165 posts
QLD, 165 posts
3 Aug 2013 12:59am
Mate, the most useful tip I ever got was to point the board nose to the kite lines....
I had the same issue, I thought I would never get it but one day, all of the sudden, it clicked.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
2 Aug 2013 11:37pm
have you got good control of the kite, if not leave your board at home until your very comfortable with it, break it down into stages, your better just doing small waterstarts instead of trying to ride , just get a feel for it pulling you from the water then kite back to 12 slump back into the water and do it again and again, after say half a dozen repeat in the opposite direction bringing yourself back to shore, youll get a lot more practice doing this than stacking then relaunching and recovering your board, just keep practicing this, when youve got this mastered its time for the next the next step in your waterstart , as for a trainer kite some like them some dont yeh theyll give you an understanding but react behave and feel completely different to a proper kite , keep in touch
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
3 Aug 2013 3:04pm
There's no easy fix. But it does just click one day. I found it helped going to a wakeboarding cable park. You've a controlled environment where you can practice water starts again and again and again. The skill of getting and standing up is broadly the same for kiteboarding without the unpredictability of the kite.

SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
3 Aug 2013 4:45pm
Also, check out my account of the same struggle. You may or may not find useful things there:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/Newbie-Lessons-learned-so-far/


On reflection, if you're launching yourself face first, and you feel over powered, I found it was because: a.) I wasn't pointing the board down wind (i.e. the board was perpendicular to where the wind was pulling me, hence it didn't slide over the water and b.) i was pulling myself up using my arms to pull myself up on the bar, which in turn gives you too much power and slingshots you over the board. Let the kite pull you up through the harness.

Finally, looking back, if I knew what I knew now, I'd have practice water starts by going through the motions (board on feet, kite over to 1pm, then dive it down into water start position and back up) without pulling on the bar which gives you launch power. This would have gotten me used to what I needed to do with my arms and kite before worrying about the whole standing up, going along nonsense.

Good luck. You've picked an unfriendly time of year to start, and any progress you make now will put you in good stead for the spring/summer time.
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
3 Aug 2013 2:46pm
Yes, I had the same experience where the instructor said I was now ready to be an independent kiter when I felt anything but that.

If you can afford it, take some more lessons to build your confidence. Otherwise do a heap of body dragging, this really helps build your confidence in flying the kite and being in the water.

The skill you are learning is how to get the right amount of power out of the kite to lift you onto the board. Too much and you get supermanned, not enough and you're stuck in the water. This obviously varies with kite size, wind strength and technique. Keep at it and you'll crack it and wonder what the fuss was about!

It's absolutely worth persevering.... Good luck!
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
3 Aug 2013 8:54pm
point your board far down wind. You can't face plant that way. All you need to do after that is keep the kite in the air. edge control comes after that.
I never got up on the board after 3 lessons but soon taught myself.
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
3 Aug 2013 10:58pm
Big eeeZeee said..

point your board far down wind. You can't face plant that way. All you need to do after that is keep the kite in the air. edge control comes after that.
I never got up on the board after 3 lessons but soon taught myself.


ha hahaa I disagree you can still very much faceplant with board facing downwind.

Do like many others do..try try again...you will get it.
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
4 Aug 2013 6:29am
cauncy said..

have you got good control of the kite, if not leave your board at home until your very comfortable with it, break it down into stages, your better just doing small waterstarts instead of trying to ride , just get a feel for it pulling you from the water then kite back to 12 slump back into the water and do it again and again, after say half a dozen repeat in the opposite direction bringing yourself back to shore, youll get a lot more practice doing this than stacking then relaunching and recovering your board, just keep practicing this, when youve got this mastered its time for the next the next step in your waterstart , as for a trainer kite some like them some dont yeh theyll give you an understanding but react behave and feel completely different to a proper kite , keep in touch


Do what he say
snowsambo
snowsambo
QLD
8 posts
QLD, 8 posts
4 Aug 2013 9:36pm
I reckon one of the things you have to accept as a beginner is that you will not go upwind on your first attempt. Accept this, point the board downwind and gradually work on edging.
CJai
CJai
QLD
32 posts
QLD, 32 posts
4 Aug 2013 10:01pm
All replies have been great thanks, hopefully I'll be up in no time :)
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
5 Aug 2013 11:59am
If you are face planting it sounds like you are getting good power from the kite dive but getting pulled over your toes on the rail. As others have said, point the board downwind until you get up and planing, then turn it in your direction of travel, along with the kite.

Also try backing the power off a bit (bar out) as soon as you feel overpowered. You need to learn to control the power.

Here is some more info and tips on water starting: kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/water-start

JayG
JayG
QLD
25 posts
QLD, 25 posts
5 Aug 2013 6:54pm
Just backing up what others have said before :

-Have your knees bent when sitting in the water
-as you are diving the kite, point your board as close to straight down the lines as possible

This was the big one for me :

-as you feel the kite begin to pull you RESIST the urge to actually stand up
keep all of the on your heels and preferably your back leg

you just have to trust the kite to get you up and simply lean back and let the harness do the work
kiter101
kiter101
QLD
115 posts
QLD, 115 posts
5 Aug 2013 7:16pm
Get really comfortable with your kite before you get on the board. It's way easier learning to ride when you have good kite skills. You could also try wakeboarding to improve!!!
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
25 Aug 2013 8:20am
Contrary to what is sometimes posted in these forums it is my belief that the value of using a wakepark to gain kiteboarding skills is minimal at best, and misleading at worst. Although the boards may look similar the way they are ridden is to me entirely different - a wake board is pointed mostly toward the pulling force like a ski (or downwind in kiteboarding terms) whilst kiteboards are used mostly cross wind to gain edge, and balance against the pulling force (the wind). If your face planting it sound like your diving the kite too much initially. Just try diving very minimally at first and gradually increase the depth of the dive till you generate enough power to pull you up. Its very easy to accidentally let the kite go too deep - you need to be aware there will always be a delay in the control bar to kite reaction time. Because of this you need to predict and control the kite a bit infront of what you actually see the kite doing at any given moment. This may sound complex but is simply timing which comes quickly with more kite time and informed focus.
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
25 Aug 2013 1:27pm
^ this. This sport is like 80% about the kite.

Knees into chest while you get the kite in position. (for a low center of gravity - makes it easier for the kite to pull you up)
Board square to the wind. (load the kite)
Dive the kite . . . and . . .
Karate-kick your front leg at the kite. (flattens out the board and gets it moving a little downwind)
Sit up. (the kite's probably pulled you into this position anyway)
Let the kite pull you up (into standing position, on the board, leaning back a little to keep tension in the lines.)

DO NOT pull on the bar!
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
26 Aug 2013 11:48am
I struggled for the first month on a 145cm board with a small amount of rocker. All I did was Superman all over the place.
I went and purchased an old 150cm board with no rocker and got up first go on the new board.

A weight of 100kg's did not help my cause.
Tony green
Tony green
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
19 Sep 2013 5:10pm
I've been reading all the infor thank i have found it very hard to get up on the broad.I like say awesome infor
thanks fellow kiters.
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
19 Sep 2013 3:47pm
CJai said..

All replies have been great thanks, hopefully I'll be up in no time :)



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Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
19 Sep 2013 8:31pm
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