Going up wind ?

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KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
6 Aug 2012 8:30am
Hey People,

I have been kiting now since early april in less than ideal winter conditions but had a few good sessions and have been able to progress to the point where i can get up and go no worrys. I can hold my edge but each back and forth i seem to lose abit of ground compard to other people. Ive been trying to lay back as hard as possible and put weight on the back foot ect. (I do make afew stupid moves like let the kite go up to 12 which makes me lose some ground.)

In onshore conditions i can usually get 2 or 3 runs in before the inevitable ( getting shallow getting shallower scrap of fins in sand then face plant combo )

Anyone have any tips for becoming more efficient with my board or should i be placing more emphisis on the position of my kite.

Good excercise walking up the beach but not ideal

Board : 141 cardboards FR
Kites : Naish 12m cult 09
Ozone c4 2011 10m <-- Not used yet

15 - 25 knots
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
6 Aug 2012 4:50pm
Research "Going up wind" on the web. There is heaps of stuff.
Basic ruled
Don't fly your kite too high.
Turn your shoulders, hips and look to where you want to go.
Yacka15
Yacka15
NSW
21 posts
NSW, 21 posts
6 Aug 2012 8:48pm
You neeed to concentrate on both your kite skills and your board skills. Like Kit33er said you need to turn your hips and shoulders and point them in the direction you want to go. Don't fall into the trap of looking at your kite it won't help look in the direction that you want to go. You also need a good bit of wind to sustain your edge. If you sheet out with your bar then you should see and improvment, however if there is not enough wind then theres not much that you can do. But most importantly perservre, we have all been through it and know what your going through ask kiteboarders on your beach if they can see anything wrong with your technique and practice, practice, practice!!!
KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
6 Aug 2012 9:24pm
KIT33R Yacka15

Thanks for your replies i wil try concentrating more on the direction i want to go and see how i get on next session.

Cheers

Ben

Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
6 Aug 2012 10:23pm
yep what the guys above say.

Also what really helped me was taking a point on the shore, like a tree, tacking out and then when you get back in make sure you look at that point and try to end up upwind of it.

It gives you a good high when you notice you haven't lost any ground!

Enjoy mate! Summer is on its way
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
7 Aug 2012 12:27am
Hey Ben I been going through same learner curve since same time. Can't wait for summer as averaging about 1-2 days a week and feel like I'm going backwards in more ways than one.
Like what Yacka said, Sheet out, I was getting blown down wind and felt no control then after a couple of hairy runs doing the poo-stance, I remembered that I had a depower line after that I realized that I had had way too much backline pulled in. Instantly started making ground easy and felt really comfortable and my stance instantly improved.
I'm starting to think that a good stance is as much a result of a good awareness of the trim required on the kite, as it is focus on feet and hips and direction but I'll leave that call to the more experienced here.
I need heaps more practice , come on wind!
KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
7 Aug 2012 7:59am

Akwa - Pattiecannon Thanks for your replies

Yeah it's a tricky thing these winter conditions it's not enough one minute then outa control the next all good fun tho and worth persisting through so that I don't have to worry about the basics over summer.

I'm finding that I can maintain ground when im given no option like the shore is getting closer and sometimes make abit of up wind ground but it doesn't come naturally yet. I suppose as you say it's about developing the right stance.

I think I'm letting the kite control me abit to much might have to try laying back abit harder and pointing in the direction abit more.

We have a fair bit of shore chop which is making it abit harder. If you lean back you end up grinding over the top of the waves or my board goes through them, it stops and I go over the handle bars.

Anyways thanks for help it's always good hearing from people who are learning as well

I'll keep persisting and bring on summer.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
7 Aug 2012 2:10pm
All the helpful tips are all fine and good but they won't help you go upwind because they miss the fundamental point. You are just too inexperienced to ride efficiently and go upwind.

Just ride heaps. Develop your feel for the kite and the board and get comfortable riding. Once you have done that you can ride anywhere you want.

Experienced upwind riders don't do any of that stuff (twisting the body, edging hard, locking the kite at some mythical angle). That is all just stuff to work on while you're gaining experience.

My mate and I do upwinders all the time. He rides with his kite high, both feet in the straps and the board flat. I ride mine with the kite low and the back foot out of the straps. He is faster than me in powered conditions. I am faster in lighter conditions.

The real secret is there are lots of things you do to go upwind. When the wind is light you flatten the board and look for an optimum planing stance. If the wind is dropping out you slow down and stay stable and avoid losing ground downwind. When the wind is strong you edge harder. If there's a wave or a bit of chop you carve on it and gain a few metres upwind. You do all these things and you don't think about any of them.

The thing is, once you learn to ride properly and go upwind, it is technically much easier to ride upwind than to ride downwind. When going upwind your lines are under tension and you get power. When going downwind you are riding towards the kite and losing tension in the lines. You have to work to keep the kite flying and maintain air speed and board speed.
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
7 Aug 2012 8:42pm
Hey Ben, yeah I do 'grinds' all the time hhaha, I lose a lot of ground on these and buring the board usually sends me and it off in the opposite direction. There's a lot of variables that come together that make up a good sesh for a noob like me but one is usually a gutter for a straight onshore so I can get going(had epic times like this getting out the back no dramas) or a 45degree cross shore for the no gutter sessions have been good to get outback too. Straight onshore and relentless waves I spend most of my time wading out far enough to catch a lull and go or walking back up the beach, but i'm riding 50mm fins which love eating sand in the shallows where you mentioned you were going up wind. Good Going!
Hey Gorgo, 21 qus m8, how far do you ride for an upwinder?
Do you do the massive 500m+ tacks and are you both on directionals?
Cheers
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
7 Aug 2012 11:44pm
I have carried a GPS a few times and just looked at a track log.

On the run from Brighton to St Kilda, each leg was 1km, and each leg gained 500m up the coast.

Our standard course is about 6km upwind. We have done 10km upwind, followed by 10km down, then back again. That's just on 40km round trip.

Average speed going upwind is 25 kph. Downwind is 35-40 with bursts to around 45kph.

We are both riding Sector 60 free ride race boards. We used to do the same courses on surfboards (and sometimes I still do), and before that on TT.

The best fun was me racing my mate with a 30 minutes headstart on a TT and him on a raceboard. He was way faster upwind and I was way faster downwind. The Sectors are fast up and down wind.
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
10 Aug 2012 12:38pm
As you keep riding you will get better. Make a mental checklist of what you need to do and run through them when on the water.

Focus on one item at a time (stance, kite position) then they will gradually come together. No single thing will get you upwind, its the combination that does it.


Here are some more tips for going upwind. kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/going-upwind
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
10 Aug 2012 3:31pm
+1 for picking a landmark on shore to aim for. Keep your eyes on the prize and you will make it there!
KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
10 Aug 2012 10:14pm
Thank you everyone for the tips !

Currently waiting for monday to put it all into practice. I will let you know how i get on.

Perfect conditions ATM hopefully there is no change.

Ben
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
11 Aug 2012 7:42pm
You could be losing lots of ground on your transitions or turns when you first start out.
Get tips and watch the good riders how they turn.
Also some good videos are progression, and kiteboarding 101

Kitch
Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
11 Aug 2012 8:40pm
kitcho207 said...

You could be losing lots of ground on your transitions or turns when you first start out.
Get tips and watch the good riders how they turn.
Also some good videos are progression, and kiteboarding 101

Kitch


this is true.. when I started going upwind and got to the point of turning around I would often just stop, kite to 12, waterstart again.
KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
12 Aug 2012 10:20am
AKWA yeah my transitions arent the best thats for sure ! I either slow down lay in the water and water start agin like you said or loose to much power and sink ive been working on this abit lately. I think its abit of a confidence thing not wanting to srew the transition up and loose my board or ditch the kite because where i kite is quite deep up to 5-6 metres next to a rockwall and if the kite goes down cause im in the lee of the wind i had a little trouble relaunching last time and spent a good 15 - 20 minutes drifting down wind near a colony of seals. ( Filthy creatures )

Might take afew trips to somewhere shallower and improve my board skils where i dont have to worry.

Cheers

Ben
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