Help with losing ground downwind

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LittleGav
LittleGav
24 posts
24 posts
6 Dec 2009 5:53pm
Hi All,

After a great day out in some strong winds yesterday I felt I was going along fine but was being pulled down-wind so after every couple of runs I was having to do the walk shame back along the beach.

I tried edging harder and keeping the kite higher - is that the best thing to do??

Any help much appreciated.

Gav
hunter074
hunter074
QLD
69 posts
QLD, 69 posts
6 Dec 2009 8:52pm
Was that you at Brighton on Saturday?
kitefriend
kitefriend
NSW
147 posts
NSW, 147 posts
6 Dec 2009 10:00pm
It's that Crabrinha i tell you, it can sense a tall tree a mile off
kitegirl21
kitegirl21
NSW
439 posts
NSW, 439 posts
6 Dec 2009 10:48pm
Hi little gav, I have just graduated from the school of walk of shame n it's a great feeling to b in the water n up n riding the whole time... Prob the best tip I had was too (a) get speed downwind first then edge hard so ur pointing ur board up wind... Once u got the speed n ur edging look over ur shoulder, looking upwind... When u look over ur shoulder ur body will twist so as to point ur body n board upwind...next step is to make sure ur kite Is sheeted out so that the kite is in front of u, not in line with u or behind u... U can try this on the beach, when u sheet out or let the bar out, the kite travels ahead of u, when u pull the bar in the kite travels backwards in line with u or behind u... So make sure u r sheeting out enough to keep the kite ahead of u, upwind... If ur losing power working the kite up n down helps too but key is to not hav it sheeted in hard, the kite needs to be ahead of u! So ease up on the bar! This took me a few wks to get after being comfortable going downwind. Hope this helps, I no this advice helped me!
Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
WA, 563 posts
6 Dec 2009 8:14pm
LittleGav said...


I tried edging harder and keeping the kite higher - is that the best thing to do??




Not compatible!

1. Make sure you're not overpowered for a start.

2. In the swell, it is a constant adjustment of kite / board pointing. I find I generally point more upwind up a swell, then dive the kite on the other side, carve upwind a bit to meet the next peak.

Try to keep your edge, especially going over crests - keeping the kite lower and using your legs to absorb the bump will prevent you getting air.

3. Keep your eye on a fixed point / relative to the sun. Twist your shoulders slightly to face the upwind direction. When edging upwind, make sure you're driving the board upwind - point too high upwind, and the pull of your kite will just be sideways / downwind. Have enough speed to keep planing too.

Let us know how you go now!

"No one need walk the walk of shame"

Albos
Albos
VIC
162 posts
VIC, 162 posts
6 Dec 2009 11:31pm
if you try taking your front hand off the bar it will help open your shoulder and enable you to face the board further upwind
monkey
monkey
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
7 Dec 2009 12:37am
Lots and lots of back foot pressure.
Stomp the board and jam that foot in with all you've got.

Look towards where you want to be heading.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
7 Dec 2009 9:22am
Also, don't have your kite too high in strong winds. You'll keep a better edge if it's at 10 o'clock then you can really bury a rail and crank up wind. Don't forget to use your trim strap to optimumise performace and comfort. If you feel the need to fly the kite high because the wind is strong pull in some trim so as to spill a bit of air ie learn how and why the kite flys
Rhys McClintock
Rhys McClintock
NSW
995 posts
NSW, 995 posts
7 Dec 2009 9:26am
Kite around 45 degrees - depower the kite a little (with the bar, not the strap) and let the harness take the power. This let's the kite fly forward in the window, allowing you to ride higher into the wind.

Edge hard and look upwind. If you look somewhere your whole body will point in that direction...

Last point is to keep ur bum up - you want to be standing in a 7 shape. Legs and butt straight - arms out straight.
LittleGav
LittleGav
24 posts
24 posts
9 Dec 2009 5:33pm
HUGE THANKS for all the advice guys and gal

I have been out last couple of days in strong winds and over the surf here in Byron Bay and all the tips have helped me immensely.

To be honest I have still walked the walk but less often and probably in the toughest conditions I have been in.

Many thanks again, it is really appreciated!!

Gav
KnutH
KnutH
VIC
427 posts
VIC, 427 posts
10 Dec 2009 1:05am
Upwind ability depends on kite and board as well, but my easiest solution is:

Ride one handed and lean back as far as possible. Look upwind and drag the free hand behind you in the water.

In the long run you should keept both hands on the bar and control the board by edging rather than using your body weight, but for the start that might be the easiest fix.

Also, don't ride overpowered and edge like crazy. Makes you get tired easily and you are likely to loose the edge in a gust. Rather keep a consistent board speed and gliding angle, the kite being at 45°. As mentioned, don't stick the butt out - makes the board skip rather than edge, and causes back pain.

After all, staying upwind should not feel like much effort at all.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
10 Dec 2009 8:49am
A Dutch guy once gave me this bit of advice when I was learning how to edge:

"Imagine the hottest girl in the world is up on your kite; now, when you are riding along, point your d!ck towards the kite, and lean over your back foot"

Funnily enough, it works, and you avoid the poo stance.
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
592 posts
WA, 592 posts
10 Dec 2009 4:16pm
monkey said...

Lots and lots of back foot pressure.
Stomp the board and jam that foot in with all you've got.

Look towards where you want to be heading.


^This, plus pulling your front toes up towards your knee on your FRONT foot should get you sorted, remember to tray and lean into your harness (this avoids the poo stance) which helps with the angle of your board in the water.

D
Briz
Briz
SA
97 posts
SA, 97 posts
17 Jan 2010 10:13pm
monkey said...

Lots and lots of back foot pressure.
Stomp the board and jam that foot in with all you've got.

Look towards where you want to be heading.


I've been finding it difficult to put enough pressure through the back foot like everyone keeps saying, and my upwind's variable. Yesterday I narrowed the stance on each side (still around shoulder width) and duck splayed the footpads further out. Also put some heelstraps on.

Went out overpowered today. Initially was pulled off edge/ skimming out of control plenty. Then found with new narrower/ splayed footpad position, could dig in rear heel/ edge and control overpower/ board way easier- more fulcrum effect and easier on the thighs. After a while was able to maintain lower/ moderate speeds with board edging/ kite positioning alone and travel upwind way easier than previous overpowered situations, with less effort. Heelstraps seemed to help with with rear foot pressure, and also kept board on when it all went to s*** and blew up (which was still plenty).
Cheers.
mantis5
mantis5
QLD
159 posts
QLD, 159 posts
17 Jan 2010 9:49pm
Rhys Porter said...

Last point is to keep ur bum up - you want to be standing in a 7 shape. Legs and butt straight - arms out straight.



sounds kinky rhys!
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