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CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
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10 Feb 2011 1:14pm
I have done all my lessons and am pretty confident in everything involved with kiteboarding and I was hoping to go out on the weekend and practice some more. The wind in Brisbane looks like it will be too low for riding (around the 10 kt mark) but I was wondering if this wind could still be used to fly my kite and develop my kite skills?
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
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10 Feb 2011 1:56pm
Give it a go and see.

Nothing better than light wind practice to know the limits of the kite.

Just make sure you have plenty of room and no one about if it stalls and falls out of the sky. Not much chance of hurting yourself in 10kts, but others may not appreciate a kite landing on them.
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
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10 Feb 2011 4:34pm
If your at the stage where your still learning to fly your kite, then 10 knots is not going to help you learn. Keeping a LEI kite in the air in light winds is more difficult than you might imagine.
I'd save your kite from a beating and save yourself the frustration and wait for another 5 knots. At 14-15kn then the kite will be far more stable and accommodating of your newbie mistakes.

If you've got a trainer kite (foil) then 10 knots is perfect to get out there and play with that.
CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
31 posts
QLD, 31 posts
10 Feb 2011 5:06pm
2 conflicting answers. I'm flying a 12m Havoc if that helps. My understanding is the bottom of the wind range is around 14 knots for someone my weight. So whats the bottom end or this kite so that it wont fly at all?
harry potter
harry potter
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10 Feb 2011 7:19pm
Take it down and fly it...... Just do it

you won't learn anything at home doing nothing, and you just may learn something if you fly it in 10knots. Just make sure you have penty of room.

You may well learn that the kite won't fly in 10knots but will in 12knots... who knows but you will learn something.



I practiced in light winds all the time when I first started a while ago now but the skills have remained ... Eg: I can ride an 8m in 15 knots ( basically if others can go on 12m kites I can go on my 8m I'm 82-83kg and using a 131cm board.)



Paradox
Paradox
QLD
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10 Feb 2011 6:32pm
Not necessarily conflicting, although I would disagree with Koma a litte in that any experience is a learning experience. The frustrating sessions are the ones you learn most from. Your post specifically asked if 10kts could help develop your kite skills and I say yes, although perhaps not in the way you will in 15kts+. You should be able to keep your kite up at that strength, but it won't be easy, especially in lulls.

He is right that as an experienced kiter, it would be a fruitless and frustrating experience, and also agree it will not help you progress your skills on the water with the board. It may however help you learn how a kite behaves in marginal wind, and techniques used to relaunch in light wind. At the very least it willl teach you how bloody hard light wind kiting is.

Any practice setting your kite up and attaching lines, and making sure you are aware of your surrounding is always good. Only do it if you are keen to get out and play with your gear, just don't expect too much, and don't do it where the kite could get damaged, or there are lots of people around - it will spend some time on the ground.

14nce
14nce
QLD
39 posts
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10 Feb 2011 10:14pm
your 12m havoc will fly in around 12knots (I have the same kite), and will have enough power to body drag/ride downwind. 15ish knots is when you should have enough power to ride upwind.

Thats if you kite is 2010 or 2011 model, older ones tend to stall and fall out of the sky in light winds. very frustrating.

Get down and practise if theres enough to fly the kite. Good wind is forecast for Sunday though so.
RPM
RPM
WA
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11 Feb 2011 5:22pm
CheeseBurger said...

2 conflicting answers. I'm flying a 12m Havoc if that helps. My understanding is the bottom of the wind range is around 14 knots for someone my weight. So whats the bottom end or this kite so that it wont fly at all?


This is not a conflicting answer. It's straight from an ex school manager/instructor. I'm taking it you got your kite from Padi as it's a LF? ... If you didn't get it from Padi and you're asking the question about 10 knots then really it's a rhetorical question and already know the answer.

If it's crap wind then your gonna get a crap session or a ripped/damaged kite when luffs and falls from the sky on top of your head. 10 knots is rubbish as you will find out when your all sad after setting up and trying to launch your kite.. Failure is imminent.. Sorry.

Be smart and wait till 15 knots min.. Then you will be ok.

red thumb all u like.. But this is fact.



Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
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12 Feb 2011 12:32am
RPM is dead right.

Having taught kiting for 6 years I always remind my students that kiting is a wind sport- not a breeze sport.

Watching noobs setting up in 10 knots gets so frustrating. People are swimming, surfers are in the break and noobs make fools of themselves time after time.

Please.... don't go out until it hits 15. The beach will be empty and the kiting will be good.

Guys like Moti are always busy because you get excited about 10 knots and bust your kite.

Find some other sport until it hits 15.
CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
31 posts
QLD, 31 posts
12 Feb 2011 7:32am
Thanks for the advice. It looks like it might pick up tomorrow so Im going to put time in with the girlfriend today. Thanks guys.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
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12 Feb 2011 6:40pm
RPM said...

CheeseBurger said...

2 conflicting answers. I'm flying a 12m Havoc if that helps. My understanding is the bottom of the wind range is around 14 knots for someone my weight. So whats the bottom end or this kite so that it wont fly at all?


This is not a conflicting answer. It's straight from an ex school manager/instructor. I'm taking it you got your kite from Padi as it's a LF? ... If you didn't get it from Padi and you're asking the question about 10 knots then really it's a rhetorical question and already know the answer.

If it's crap wind then your gonna get a crap session or a ripped/damaged kite when luffs and falls from the sky on top of your head. 10 knots is rubbish as you will find out when your all sad after setting up and trying to launch your kite.. Failure is imminent.. Sorry.

Be smart and wait till 15 knots min.. Then you will be ok.

red thumb all u like.. But this is fact.






He is talking about practising flying his kite on the beach not attempting to kite on the water, you guys would do well to read the original question before posting !
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
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12 Feb 2011 6:40pm
Bigwavedave said...

RPM is dead right.

Having taught kiting for 6 years I always remind my students that kiting is a wind sport- not a breeze sport.

Watching noobs setting up in 10 knots gets so frustrating. People are swimming, surfers are in the break and noobs make fools of themselves time after time.

Please.... don't go out until it hits 15. The beach will be empty and the kiting will be good.

Guys like Moti are always busy because you get excited about 10 knots and bust your kite.

Find some other sport until it hits 15.


As above
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
12 Feb 2011 8:39pm
It depends a lot on how light the kite is too. Some of the 3 strut kites can be flown in 10 knots, not necessarily on the water though. Don't forget if it starts to fall backward in the wind window - push the out, not in.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
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12 Feb 2011 8:36pm
He is talking about practising flying his kite on the beach not attempting to kite on the water, you guys would do well to read the original question before posting !


and you would do well to read the replies.

Under 15 knots in SE QLd means crowded beaches and crowded water., especially close to Brisbane. Recipe for disaster is a noobie flying a kite on a crowded beach when the kite keeps dropping out of the sky because of light winds.

All sensible advice is leave the kite at home in 10 knots.
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
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12 Feb 2011 9:24pm
Sandgate or Brighton at low tide....
More space than you could ask for generally, fly it!!
prea
prea
QLD
184 posts
QLD, 184 posts
13 Feb 2011 6:15pm
Hi Adam
Pete here your instructor.
You have great kite skills to fly your kite in 10-12 knots
flying your kite in light winds is a good skill to learn and develops and understanding of your kites flying characteristics.
I say go for it.

Ps. dont crash it
CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
31 posts
QLD, 31 posts
15 Feb 2011 10:50am
Thanks Pete.

So I did take out my kite being stubbourne and could barely keep it in the air. So I did learn something, keeping the kite moving in light wind is more trouble than its worth.

Though I did see someone head out with a 10m f-one bandit and that thing seemed to be quite stable and still pulling in light winds. Now I want one.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
15 Feb 2011 12:19pm
CheeseBurger said...

So I did learn something


Sounds like it was worth the effort then
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
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15 Feb 2011 12:36pm
CheeseBurger said...

So I did take out my kite being stubbourne and could barely keep it in the air. So I did learn something, keeping the kite moving in light wind is more trouble than its worth.

Good to see you learnt something!
So what advice would you give people in the same situation as you were in?
CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
31 posts
QLD, 31 posts
15 Feb 2011 12:36pm
I think Paradox got it right in the very first sentence.

Give it a go and see.

I got practice setting up my kite and packing it up and have learnt a few things aswell to do with that such as making sure your kite is dry and keep the sand off it.

As long as it is done safely away from people etc. I definately think every person should try it at least once.
Ozoned
Ozoned
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
15 Feb 2011 4:35pm
When I was learning the only time I spent flying the kite on the beach was when I was taught to dive the kite and drag my feels along the sand right at the edge of the water.

But I never spent any time at all "flying" the kite on the beach as it could potentially be dangerous. I would launch and get straight on the water no stuffing around. I went downwind of everyone else, stayed out of trouble, and figured out how to fly the kite on the water.

Just wanted to put it out there that probably not the best idea to "fly" the kite on the beach in any type of wind plus when learning you're gonna drop it and you don't want to wreck your kite before you can even ride.
CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
31 posts
QLD, 31 posts
15 Feb 2011 4:32pm
Ozoned said...

When I was learning the only time I spent flying the kite on the beach was when I was taught to dive the kite and drag my feels along the sand right at the edge of the water.

But I never spent any time at all "flying" the kite on the beach as it could potentially be dangerous. I would launch and get straight on the water no stuffing around. I went downwind of everyone else, stayed out of trouble, and figured out how to fly the kite on the water.

Just wanted to put it out there that probably not the best idea to "fly" the kite on the beach in any type of wind plus when learning you're gonna drop it and you don't want to wreck your kite before you can even ride.


Why would anyone fly their kite on the beach? Of course I was in the water a fair way out. Thats just common sense.
14nce
14nce
QLD
39 posts
QLD, 39 posts
15 Feb 2011 5:32pm
saw you out on saturday and it sucked! took a 15m out and still could hardly get going.

Atleast you taught your girlfriend to pump up for you
Willy81
Willy81
QLD
11 posts
QLD, 11 posts
16 Feb 2011 8:55pm
I've had 2 lessons and just got my first kite and board. I went out today at Brighton with the kite by itself. There wasn't much wind (I'm guessing 10-12 knots), but I still had a great time and learnt heaps doing body dragging and relaunching the kite.
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