How long to ride upwind?

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KitersElbow
KitersElbow
WA
78 posts
WA, 78 posts
2 Jan 2011 7:50pm
What is a reasonable amount of time (in days or hours) for a newbie to get over that hump and land his kite where he launched it after a ride?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
2 Jan 2011 9:56pm
depends on currents and tides and wind strength.

Body position, don't go too fast, set yourself small goals

The windier it gets the easier it gets!!

Good luck!
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
2 Jan 2011 9:45pm
Hi Davidk,

You may as well ask how long the piece of string is? Too many variables and differences in people to even hazard a guess.

My answer "a little while".

Good luck, stick with it.

DM
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
2 Jan 2011 10:06pm
Davidk said...

What is a reasonable amount of time (in days or hours) for a newbie to get over that hump and land his kite where he launched it after a ride?


It all depends, how long is a piece of string?
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
3 Jan 2011 1:45pm
Most kiters will be doing the walk of shame for between 5-15 sessions.
The more time on the water the faster you'll learn.
NSW, 4382 posts
3 Jan 2011 4:49pm
Davidk said...

What is a reasonable amount of time (in days or hours) for a newbie to get over that hump and land his kite where he launched it after a ride?


The more skill you have with kite flying the quicker you will learn to go upwind.
Wakeboarding skills help.
So does landboarding skills.

So in between sessions get some trainer kite pratice sessions, do some other form of kite traction sport on land, go to the cable park.
Learning to ride powered and to edge the board is the key.
otherwise your question is impossible to answer, sorry.
Patience and persistence!
deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
451 posts
NSW, 451 posts
3 Jan 2011 11:58pm
Protip: GO SLOWER
KitersElbow
KitersElbow
WA
78 posts
WA, 78 posts
3 Jan 2011 9:22pm
Thanks to all who responded.

I'm now 8 sessions in, including 3 lessons. Of those 8, two were far too windy for me (25-27 knots - I got destroyed), and 2 were too light to put together much of anything (12-13). I've thought I would avoid the walk of shame the last couple of times out, but after getting some amount of upwind distance, and maybe even a transition, I invariably make some mistake, end up way downwind, and do the walk of shame yet again.

I was feeling like I was about where I should be, close enough anyway, learning something and getting a bit better every day...until last time out, a bloke told me he thought my progress was not where it should be and that I should buy some more lessons. Being that this was the same bloke that was selling said lessons though, I think he was a bit biased. Still, it made me question myself and submit this post. You guys have put my concerns to rest though...thanks! Just waiting on more wind now.

BTW Kitepower, I do have heaps of wakeboard skills (and snowboard). The board riding is no drama at all...it's just flying that damn kite that keeps getting me ;-)

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
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QLD, 2057 posts
3 Jan 2011 11:31pm
Dave

Try picking a target on the beach upwind of where you are riding. Keep looking at it. This will help to open your stance a little and after a while it will feel natural.

Don't fly the kite too high or let your board speed get too fast. The faster you go the more the wind window changes so that upwind riding becomes almost impossible.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
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5 Jan 2011 10:06am
Flux said...

Davidk said...

What is a reasonable amount of time (in days or hours) for a newbie to get over that hump and land his kite where he launched it after a ride?


It all depends, how long is a piece of string?


I have a piece of string and it's 83cm long. Hope that helps.
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
QLD, 796 posts
5 Jan 2011 6:52pm
This hit the nail on the head. I remember being told to pick a target and head for it. It wont be long before heading up wind is a thing of the past and you will be asking how to land your first trick. Have fun.
Bigwavedave said...

Dave

Try picking a target on the beach upwind of where you are riding. Keep looking at it. This will help to open your stance a little and after a while it will feel natural.

Don't fly the kite too high or let your board speed get too fast. The faster you go the more the wind window changes so that upwind riding becomes almost impossible.


adrood
adrood
42 posts
42 posts
6 Jan 2011 12:53am
i dont actually always look there. i found it better to strafe the shoulder . Anyways i could go upwind from the left since the begining. I couldnt do it when i was going right. That had to do with the speed i had when my right foot was my front foot. (silly isnt it ? ) Anyway speed control is the most important part and second is to relax and dont think all the time about board and kite. That makes you concetrate on that instead of the course
Jared888
Jared888
WA
389 posts
WA, 389 posts
6 Jan 2011 11:01am
Davidk said...

What is a reasonable amount of time (in days or hours) for a newbie to get over that hump and land his kite where he launched it after a ride?


Lean back, weight mostly on back foot.

Suck ur guts in and stick ur dick out.

dont be worried if the wind is 25kn plus it just makes it easyier to get upwind, just got to be on ur toes a bit more in regards to where ur kite is.

i reakon a week of 1-2 hour session for a week will do it, personally I went with two 4 hour sessions in the same day
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
6 Jan 2011 3:10pm
The desire to get upwind will increase at about the same rate as the chaffing from the walks of shame.......once you really concentrate and focus on a point in the distance the prospect of having to walk 5-600m with red raw thighs will be enough encouragement to make it upwind.
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
6 Jan 2011 6:18pm
5 years on and i still do the walk sometimes, conditions here are quite challenging though.
Best thing i did was find a large patch of knee deep water without chop and master it there.
After that it was all down to conditions, which are pretty crap here all year.
If you need a little bit more power out of the kite keep swaying it gently up and down.
if you need a lot more power drive that thing UP DoWN UP DOWN UP DOWN!

to answer the original question, i nearly had it after about 15-20 sessions on the ol' X3, but 1 decent session on the flat water with smooth wind and it all came together, had to go downwind to land it where i started.
RichardM
RichardM
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
7 Jan 2011 1:49pm
Davidk said...

What is a reasonable amount of time (in days or hours) for a newbie to get over that hump and land his kite where he launched it after a ride?


Till your back Leg get tired
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
8 Jan 2011 6:02pm
Simple answer. Once you stop looking at your kite and start looking (including turning the hips and shoulders) to where you want to go then you will return to your starting point.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
9 Jan 2011 12:41pm
Flux said...

Davidk said...

What is a reasonable amount of time (in days or hours) for a newbie to get over that hump and land his kite where he launched it after a ride?


It all depends, how long is a piece of string?


Mine was very very very long, and got tangled a whole pile of times before I eventually found the end after much walking and swimming...
ohyeah
ohyeah
VIC
15 posts
VIC, 15 posts
15 Jan 2011 1:43pm
Not sure if these tips will help, but they helped me get over this hurdle. I was not a fan of the walks of shame. At one stage I thought they might have a hollywood walk of shame names and I would be the most decorated :)

The following tips really helped me:
- keeping the kite lower so I could keep a better edge
- edge pressure really helped, imagine pushing my back foot through the board not on top of the board
- remember not to choke the kite too much by pulling in, let it breathe (sheet in turn, sheet out)
- when doing the big turn up wind, slow down a little and look over your shoulder so it puts my body in the right direction and stance.
- other thing that bugged me was I sucked at riding switch, so I had to go back to basics for 4 hours on that side, that really helped.

Now it's like riding a bike

all the best
QLD, 481 posts
19 Jan 2011 12:33pm
Hi davidk everyones put there idea forward, so heres my bit, first follow bigwave daves advice its good, second remember keep your weight central on the board use the hole edge of the board and direct it upwind by twisting hips and sholders .The most common fault with going upwind is people lean back to far, or go to fast, just remember edging and going up wind arent the same thing .Edgeing is controlling power upwind is directing the board
Hope This helps
George
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