How to get HUGE AIR????

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TenBerri
TenBerri
70 posts
70 posts
31 Oct 2010 12:56am
Hey Guys and Gals

I'm after some help/guidance on how to get huge air. I've already mastered jumping, and can comfortably back/front loop and other early freestyle tricks etc... But I never seem to be able to go huge!!

I'm aware of the obvious factors (i.e strong wind being needed + chop/small waves as kickers will help), and I can comfortably kite in most conditions. Any guidance on technique or common flaws would be greatly appreciated

Cheers

Ben

AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
31 Oct 2010 11:22am
Hi Ben,

Going truly MASSIVE requires a few things as I wil detail below. Timing, power, control and the right kite.

Going big also requires a good amount of attitude and a certain aggressive approach.

You don't need to be going 100kph to go big. You need control. Usually going fast means you have less control as you are normally in choppy water and bouncing across the crests of waves. Try riding at a moderate speed as the take off and timing is more important than speed.

The second thing needed is lots of power. The more power you can hold, the better, so long as you can control it. No point in holding down a 12m in 30 knots if you can't pull the bar in to power up and initiate the turn at full power, that's not jumping, that's lofting or teabagging. For my weight (88kg), I like a 9m in around 30 knots, but remember, it's what YOU can control and some kites will let you carry more wind than others. The Core GTS's you have should be fine in upper twenties and I can attest that they certainly will go big.

A smaller kite will boost you up higher than a big kite, but a big kite will give you more hangtime, and most likely a softer landing unless your technique is spot on. The reason a small kite goes bigger is it's speed across the wind window and in turning.

You can redirect a small kite twice as fast as a bigger kite. Finding a kicker or a small wave can be an advantage to going huge, but not essential. Some of my biggest jumps of all time have been off smooth water with no ramp. It's all about edging, timing, control of kite and board and the take off technique. My biggest jumps were on a 7m Core GT in 35-40 knots of wind in flat water. Freakin' scary high!

First thing you need is to know your jump timing ie, how long it takes in distance from the moment you pull the trigger until the kite reaches 12 o'clock going across the wind window. This varies on kites so experimenting is worth while. It maybe a second and 10m distance or more or less depending on kite and how aggressively you pull the trigger.

Once you know your timing or distance, you can line up a ramp or wave to help keep your edge or contact of the rail of the board with the water surface on lift off.

Second thing is to get your kite position and movement spot on. Most jumps should be initiated from about the 10.30 to 11 o'clock position of the clock face of the wind window. Initiating a jump from lower than that is possible but will result in a low trajectory of your kite and a violent downwind pull off the water with a long and lower jump resulting in a hot fast and hard landing. This type of jump can be useful in jumping obstacles but not for going big. By obstacles I mean inflated objects. Don't jump solid stuff!

With your kite at around 10.30, pick your wave and judge your timing distance, then pull the bar in smoothly and quickly to full power as you turn the kite back across towards 1 o'clock on the clock face. You need to keep the bar in at full power throughout the entire jump sequence.

As the kite moves towards the 12 o'clock position, turn your board up the face of the wave or mark you have set as your take off point, in other words, carve slightly up wind with speed and maintain your edge.

Most people I watch boosting, try and initiate the jump by trying to "jump" with the board, bending their knees at take off and trying to "push off" from the water. This flattens out the board and allows the kite to pull you downwind on take off which results in a pendulum type swing under the kite and often ends with the kite falling from the sky upwind of you.

Maintain your edge all the way through the take off and keep it edging until you are in the air, at which point your kite should be at around the 12.30 position in the wind window. The kite does all the work in the jump and take off, don't try and assist it with the board by "hopping".

Keep the bar pulled in and allow the kite to turn to face the wind at around the 1-1.30 position. On a good jump you should be rapidly ascending. Keep your kite steady in the 1pm position all the way to the top of the jump. When you feel you have reached peak height or the apex of the jump and you start to descend, move the kite to 12 o'clock and wait as you start to come down.

When you are approximately half to 2/3rds of the way down, redirect your kite strongly forward with the bar pulled in to full power, back in the direction of travel. Bend your knees for impact and turn your board to align with the direction of travel.

For bigger jumps you may need to sine your kite back and forth across the top of the wind window to prevent swinging under the kite, for really big jumps you will likely have to loop the kite before landing to create enough lift and downwind speed to keep your kite from luffing and being upwind of you.

There are so many parts to a really big jump that all need to come together simultaneously which is why few riders jump really big. The average kiter who learns to jump will regularly jump between 4-8 feet high. An intermediate kiter will jump 8-15 feet high. A more advanced rider will jump from 12-20 feet fairly regularly.

The heady heights of 20-40 feet are reserved for the very few who really know what they are doing and have had many years practice. So keep practicing and we'll see you in the nose bleed section in no time

Cheers,

DM



TenBerri
TenBerri
70 posts
70 posts
31 Oct 2010 1:25pm
Thanks for the reply Darren, just the sought of info I wanted. I'm now going to try and put the theory into practice. Happy Days!!!

Ben
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
31 Oct 2010 4:59pm
Great info, should go in the how to section for sure.
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
31 Oct 2010 3:27pm
TenBerri said...

Thanks for the reply Darren, just the sought of info I wanted. I'm now going to try and put the theory into practice. Happy Days!!!

Ben


Let me know if it helps

DM
jacob1221
jacob1221
112 posts
112 posts
4 Nov 2010 8:53pm
25+ knots 10m kite and loop it
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
5 Nov 2010 1:15pm
Definately agree with AKS comments ...its all about timing and control.

but it is also worth adding that different kites require slightly different approaches I have found my Fuels require different timing and approach to my Switchys The fuel relys a bit more on speed and needs to be sent further to create the pendulum effect where the Switchy can use its long sheeting to pull the power on......

I always seem to be able to go higher on my switchy this has more to do with being able to sheet out and ride in more wind and then sheet in hard when jumping to harness the power ....... my fuels require hard hard edging to hold the same amount of power but really rip you off the water when timed correctly.

i have also found that for massive air ( on the SB ) I use a combination of both techniques ......one thing I seem to do differntly to the average punter is sheet out about halfway when sending the kite as this allows it to fly faster back accross the window then sheet in hard at the same time as popping.

Whatever kite you fly or method used the key is still in the timing ie : time your pop with your kite position.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
6 Nov 2010 11:25am
I agree with Harry Potter about sheeting out slightly while sending the kite. Not too much or you lose your edge but just a little bit and you can retain full speed until the kite lifts you off.

Safety tip for boosting: don't try to lift your knees up immediately on takeoff. This puts huge strain on your abs and lower spine. Let your legs and board swing up behind you a bit like a raley and you'll save yourself some ab soreness and potential injury.
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
6 Nov 2010 11:44am
DJdojo, i find that jus letting your body get ripped by the kite to cause more abb soreness than preparing your body and bracing your muscles for the jump. Sure you may get sore abbs to start with as the muscles build up but after that you never have sore abbs again. This will also help you with strength for other types of riding.

One other tip i have for boosting big, is on dead flat water i bear off a bit just as initiate the turn which seems to give me a bit more speed and as the kite shoots back i edge as hard as i can similar to what i would for a unhooked trick, timing it right really gives you that extra pop off the water. You really notice how much higher you go when it isn't quite as windy, the11-12 then pull in the bar method doesn't really get me up to high unless it's over 30kts. like last weekend. Some of the guys needed a plane licence they were that high, way above the hight of the other kites.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
6 Nov 2010 12:43pm
not suggesting being floppy or passive, it's more that letting your upper body lead with your legs and board behind gets your centre of gravity closer to the line of pull from the kite. i still do ab workouts regularly if i haven't been on the water for a couple of days. no doubt they need to be strong.
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
6 Nov 2010 10:38am
Hey Peeps,

I'd love to hear back from anyone who has read and used this advice as to whether it has improved your "Big air".

Are you going BIGGER? Let me know.

Regards,

DM
TenBerri
TenBerri
70 posts
70 posts
6 Nov 2010 11:15am
Thanks for all the advice/tips guys.

Hey Darren, i'm gonna be putting all my efforts into kitesurfing this summer - Last day of work Tuesday. So I'll let you know how the 'Big Air' goes.

Thanks again

Ben
Taurus
Taurus
VIC
189 posts
VIC, 189 posts
6 Nov 2010 10:13pm
Hi Darren,

I tried your advice in the last couple of sessions and found its very difficult to time a big jump in choppy conditions, I try to initiate the turn to 12 and gradually pull the bar in but in order to use the chop to advantage I end up pulling the bar in earlier than I should and taking off that way. This works but I know I can get higher if I really pre-loaded some power and time it to perfection, I think its a completely different level of complexity on choppy water.
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
NSW, 527 posts
7 Nov 2010 5:11pm
hi all, i read on this site to keep sheeted in the whole time until i land and i've watched some good boosters and they seem to do this as well, but i seem to get ripped down wind pretty fast making a fast landing and some nasty slaps. i feel like i'm getting some decent height but i currently sheet out when i get to the top then sheet in for a smoother landing. any hints to get those big floaty ones dialled would be appreciated.... also any hints re learning to boost on my goofy side ??
kiter zac
kiter zac
QLD
295 posts
QLD, 295 posts
7 Nov 2010 8:28pm
for a softer landing keep the bar sheeted in the whole time, to slow your landing down dive the kite a little later for when your about to hit the water, you shouldnt come down with as much speed.
shannon8888
shannon8888
NSW
517 posts
NSW, 517 posts
7 Nov 2010 11:56pm
Jedibrad said...

hi all, i read on this site to keep sheeted in the whole time until i land and i've watched some good boosters and they seem to do this as well, but i seem to get ripped down wind pretty fast making a fast landing and some nasty slaps. i feel like i'm getting some decent height but i currently sheet out when i get to the top then sheet in for a smoother landing. any hints to get those big floaty ones dialled would be appreciated.... also any hints re learning to boost on my goofy side ??


practice practice practice
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
7 Nov 2010 10:13pm
Hey Jedibrad,

Just use the force Brad! Only kidding!

If you are landing flat out and getting smashed, it is likely you are sending the kite from too low in the wind window and cranking it so fast that the kite comes across the window quite low. This rips you off the water but as much downwind as upwards and always results in low fast landings.

Try again but send your kite from nearer to 11 o'clock (or 1 o'clock depending on jump direction). Don't sheet out at the top of the jump, keep the bar in the whole time. and as Shannon says, practice practice!

Cheers for the feedback.

DM
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
NSW, 527 posts
8 Nov 2010 4:50pm
Thanks for the tips guys, i tried 20 or so today with some success mostly with the smaller ones, still woused it on the bigger ones. I still learn something every time i go out
supafly
supafly
12 posts
12 posts
15 Nov 2010 1:08am
Mate helped me big time over the last few weeks....
Last season i struggled going over 3m.

This season everyone is telling me im going to die.
I think its worked a treat.

Especially the section on sining of the kite, you can almost fly around with good control which ive found really suprising.
DaCurls
DaCurls
WA
134 posts
WA, 134 posts
15 Nov 2010 9:30am
get out in geraldton today
Wisha
Wisha
SA
255 posts
SA, 255 posts
19 Nov 2010 2:36pm
I've found the key being to crank/ twitch your back hand as quickly as you can and then quite aggressively to bring it back above your head. All about kite speed...
To demo this to someone, I rode with no speed standing dead flat, with almost no edge, kite sitting high at 11 already. Then just aggresively cranked the bar..actually suprised me how much boost you can get by doing so little.

Ultimate - Add in some speed, a little pop, small kicker, kite high to start (wont get dragged off your edge) agressive bar.....away you go!
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
19 Nov 2010 10:26pm
Vids please.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
21 Nov 2010 7:13pm
Wisha said...

I've found the key being to crank/ twitch your back hand as quickly as you can and then quite aggressively to bring it back above your head. All about kite speed...
To demo this to someone, I rode with no speed standing dead flat, with almost no edge, kite sitting high at 11 already. Then just aggresively cranked the bar..actually suprised me how much boost you can get by doing so little.

Ultimate - Add in some speed, a little pop, small kicker, kite high to start (wont get dragged off your edge) agressive bar.....away you go!


yep and that's because you have good technique and can judge just where the lift and power is I have tried showing people exactly what you described most people are very suprised how much height can still be gained with little or no board speed .... Usually results in a very straight smooth vertical jump. I have found different kites respond better than others. Eg: with SB's or other bow/ hybrid styles you can ease the bar and then pull it on as you crank the bar.

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