How to help with cutaway kite

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Ciscoexpert
Ciscoexpert
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
15 Nov 2010 6:36pm
Yesterday, I've tried to help one buddy to grab his kite, which was drifting alone in the ocean. Kite was inflated but twisted couple of times. I've tried to do different things:

- grabing front lead. Kite rolled over me and almost entaggled with my lines

- grabing lines. Too dangerous, almost cut my fingers
- grabing lines by board or by harness. I couldn't move fast enough with my kite and movements were jerky, as buddy's kite was full of water.
- laying on kite and use kite as bodydragging. Wasn't easier and I almost entagled in lines

I was trying to deflate it, but I couldn't as kite was trying to roll over and mess with my lines.

What's the safest method? Should I approach kite from downwind or upwind? What part of kite should I grab?
Taurus
Taurus
VIC
189 posts
VIC, 189 posts
15 Nov 2010 11:18pm
Its not worth it mate, too much can go wrong with little room for error.
supafly
supafly
12 posts
12 posts
15 Nov 2010 11:23pm
enable
copy deflate blown-up
ping lines -f
restart


that orta fix it
shannon8888
shannon8888
NSW
517 posts
NSW, 517 posts
16 Nov 2010 6:59am
kiteing onshore winds shouldn't it be blown to the beach
IanR
IanR
NSW
1360 posts
NSW, 1360 posts
16 Nov 2010 9:57am
Hi Cisoexpert could you please explain what the front lead is.

It is possible to recover a lose kite. The trick is to be patient and wait for it to get into the right position. If you don't know what the right position is don't attempt to recover the kite. It is a high risk move.

The safest thing to do is let it blow into the beach. Always stay upwind of the kite and keep clear of the lines


GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
16 Nov 2010 1:40pm
^^^ what they said.

Disclaimer: Rescuing a detached kite is VERY risky especially if not done properly, especially if it is a large-ish kite (say anything bigger than a 9m). Then again for smaller kites it is generally windier making the kites (yours and the one in the water) more difficult to deal with.

Whatever you do make sure you can quickly ditch the whole lot safely without ending up tangled in kite and or lines.

All this stuff is easier said than done!

Don't touch the bar or the lines. - the biggest danger is the lines and the bar - tension on any of these without the kite being secured could result in the kite powering up and either tearing itself apart or shredding whatever is causing the tension (fingers!). Be aware that the bar and lines might not want to float and so may get caught on whatever is in / under the water. Also if you are in the surf the lines could be anywhere (upwind / downwind).

If the kite is in a stable position the trick is to pick it up on the upwind side (otherwise you will get gift wrapped) but without getting tangled in the lines or bridle. You want to get a hold of the leading edge, closer to the middle of the kite is better, and ideally with the kite on its back is best (less drag). Generally this involves riding close to the kite to see where the lines are, and ride in from the side where there are no lines. Flipping the kite over is tricky and although it makes the drag in easier the flip itself is usually hard.

When riding back in you will need to do it one handed so if you are not confident enough to do that on the day (surf, very windy, small kite etc.) then best to leave the kite alone.

Obviously if the kite is still rolling around don't ride behind (downwind of) it either...

Pulling bridles is not a great idea as they are not much thicker than flying lines.

Attaching yourself to the kite being recovered is also not a great idea in case things go wrong (and they generally do).

Even ditching your kite on to safety and trying to self rescue is tricky as now you have 2 kites to deal with, one without a safety!

Some stable kite positions which work for kite pickups are:



Ideally you want to be carrying the kite like this in your back hand:



Here is another take on things (although I disagree with the pulling on the bridle idea): www.thekiteboarder.com/2010/06/off-to-the-rescue-advanced-recoveries/
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
16 Nov 2010 7:06pm
I've done this a couple of times while windsurfing, here's how it went:

1) Approach from the side having a very good look at what the kite is doing, how it's behaving, whether it's likely to power up or not.

2) Slowly get level with it, slightly downwind, but out of the path if something goes wrong.

3) Once you've sussed out how it's behaving, shoot across just downwind of it and jump off, grabbing the leading edge of the kite with one hand and the boom of the windsurfer with the other. Your momentum will carry you out of the way of the lines, and will sort of twist the kite around until you're in the right position to control the lot.

4) Tie the piece of rope you always carry with you to the middle of the leading edge of the kite, and attach the other end to the universal joint.

5) Slog in to the beach and pack up the kite as normal.


It seemed pretty safe both times I've done it, I guess the secret is to really have a very good look at how it's behaving before you get too close.
It may be easier or harder on a kite, never tried it when I was kiting as well...
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