I suck in light winds - help me!

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Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
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22 Jun 2014 9:09pm
I hate to admit it, but I just cannot kite surf in anything under 12 knots. Of course equipment helps, but I am sure my technique sucks for the most part.

I am using my so called "light wind" 14m Cab Switchblade with a 136 x 42 TT board.

I know, I know, 136 is not considered a light wind board. I should look at 140+, but for now it's all I've got.

I am using 27m lines and I am thinking of extending them beyond 30mt, but I will lose a lot of control. And the 14m switchy is slow turning. I might be better of on my 12mt which is faster turning.

But I think what's really killing it is pulling on the bar too much and chocking the kite. I try consciously to keep the bar up high, kite fully powered (even depower variations I've tried), power dive fully, but still to no avail.

I do get going but it's mainly down wind and suddenly I am on the beach again.

Guys here are on 9m kites in 10knots and riding. HOW TF!!?? Must be their weight, board?
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
22 Jun 2014 9:23pm
What do you weigh? Makes a huge difference, as does the gear.

There's a guy here who rides a 14m SB as his light wind kite... but he weighs 65kg.

And of course you just can't get around the fact that light wind is crap.
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
22 Jun 2014 8:25pm
I use a 14m Fuse for lighter conditions and switch from a tt to a North Nugget when it gets really light. Its not really a LW kite per se but I can still go really well as low as 13knts. I can say that the Nugget makes a huge difference for both extending the bottom end and staying up wind. You can pretty much point the Nugget anywhere you want to go.
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
22 Jun 2014 11:14pm
Hey. Get a light wind board. It makes a world of difference.
Not too big like a door, but something around 146x46. Big enough to keep you planing through the luls and not too big to be boring in the air.
Also bar out when sining up and bar in on the downstroke.
Try flattening the board more when riding upwind
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
22 Jun 2014 11:32pm
I can get going in about 15 knots with my Lithium 12 and a surfboard. I weigh 87kg.

I swap to a Sector 60 board with the Lithium 12 for 10 to 15 knots,

I use a Lithium Zero with the surfboard for 5 to 10/12 knots.

Its easier to go upwind on the Sector 60 though.
harlie
harlie
QLD
188 posts
QLD, 188 posts
23 Jun 2014 9:28am
need a LW board... as we know, how big depends on your weight. Something with minimal rocker and full tips. When it's light at our local , anyone that sets up with a standard size, medium/high rocker board just does not get going. Shape, especially rocker makes a huge difference.

Light wind requires more front foot weight, you want to get the maximum waterline length for your board which results in a flat board, less drag. When you start there is a really fine line on how far you point down wind to build speed, too little and you don't have board speed, too much and you loose apparent wind over the kite.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
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QLD, 2060 posts
23 Jun 2014 12:39pm
Thanks for the tips guys. I weigh 78kg, and on a 136 board it's way too small I think.
Anyone have a spare 142, 144 TT?
The "sine wave" technique is also my issue. I need to keep that in mind.
So too much rocker slows you down? I thought it would create more "edge" and hence make it easier to go upwind, but of course depending on wind strength I guess. It would also make it hard to turn the board? Thinking hulls of boats here as an example.
harlie
harlie
QLD
188 posts
QLD, 188 posts
23 Jun 2014 1:57pm
Yeah, too much rocker will kill you in light wind.

I have these 2 boards in my garage as an example:
LF LFX 142 x 43 – Mid rocker, double concave
LF full contact 146 x 44- low rocker, single concave
The difference in these is enormous. Overall board size is not much but the LFX has 2 concaves and double the rocker (~2.2 vs 4.5cm). The LFX requires heaps more power to get going & up wind, and I have changed boards mid-session when I’ve been struggling and just rode off upwind on the Full Contact as easy as anything. But the LFX is so much easier to ride when the wind is up, easier to turn, control speed ect… I couldn’t believe how much difference the bottom shape makes.

The outline is what will give you plenty of edge. wide tips and close to parallel edge line. combine with low to no rocker is what makes the specific light wind boards work

Mate is your weight and usually rides a 134 LFX, he says there is less difference between his 134 and my 142 (same board just longer) than there is between the 142 and 146 with low rocker. I’m too fat for his 134 & I now have a Litewave for the really light stuff, he steals my 146.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
23 Jun 2014 2:28pm
For really light wind (10knots) I use Blade Fat Lady 17m and Slingshot Scud Skim Board or above 10knots, a Blade Fat Lady 17m and North Nugget.

100kg+ and I can generally stay upwind without too many dramas.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
23 Jun 2014 3:28pm
bigtone667 said...
For really light wind (10knots) I use Blade Fat Lady 17m and Slingshot Scud Skim Board or above 10knots, a Blade Fat Lady 17m and North Nugget.

100kg+ and I can generally stay upwind without too many dramas.


Awesome tip! Thanks
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
23 Jun 2014 8:54pm
Switchy on 30M lines - OMG set your GoPro to delayed action.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
23 Jun 2014 8:56pm
Seriously though - if you want lightwind you HAVE TO go either bigger, flatter, softer board OR bigger kite. &/or both if you really want light wind to work.
Brohan
Brohan
VIC
528 posts
VIC, 528 posts
23 Jun 2014 11:19pm
Swapping boards will get you going in less knots, when you dive your kite pull in on the bar and point your board down wind then turn it hard back up at the same time as letting the bar up, I do that until i'm planing and then I'm normally good to go!
Dl33ta
Dl33ta
TAS
463 posts
TAS, 463 posts
24 Jun 2014 5:39am
Spleene monster door with Shinn sneaker-x footpads amarzing. Goes upwind like a demon even in light onshore conditions. Def wouldn't go over 27m lines when you're using a smaller kite, i.e < 17m as you depend on quick movement sine for your apparent wind. I sometimes use an 11m with 24-27m llines in 10-12 knots, its much easier with a 17m though.
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
24 Jun 2014 3:50pm
go to bigger ,flatter board with NO concave must be apsolutely flat on the bottom maybe 2 inch rocker max and you will be cruising in next to nothing . Mate if I could only get out in 12 kn I would only get 5 ses a year . I average here 10-11 kns in summer and have tried lots of things then I got rid of all the hype of concaves I was crusing everywhere in next to nothing winds . CONCAVES = DRAG . Great for biting the rail for a pop but not for lite wind kiting
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
24 Jun 2014 5:17pm
Brohan said...
Swapping boards will get you going in less knots, when you dive your kite pull in on the bar and point your board down wind then turn it hard back up at the same time as letting the bar up, I do that until i'm planing and then I'm normally good to go!


Got it!

Only problem is you lose a lot of downwind distance to the beach. Suddenly I am already on the sand (anyone invented a kite board with wheels? A kite surfing "hovercraft" ). Upwind from the moment go is almost impossible.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
24 Jun 2014 5:18pm
suface2air said...
go to bigger ,flatter board with NO concave must be apsolutely flat on the bottom maybe 2 inch rocker max and you will be cruising in next to nothing . Mate if I could only get out in 12 kn I would only get 5 ses a year . I average here 10-11 kns in summer and have tried lots of things then I got rid of all the hype of concaves I was crusing everywhere in next to nothing winds . CONCAVES = DRAG . Great for biting the rail for a pop but not for lite wind kiting


Awesome tip! Thanks again.
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
24 Jun 2014 7:36pm
Nugget is an impressive board for sure...

I get a tiny, tiny bit more low end in light wind (8 to 10 knots) with Slingshot Dialer over the Flydoor XL but enjoy it more as I can practice gybes etc when the TT will just be mowing the lawn.

Technique, flat water helps a lot, as does current... all that comes into play, but you can't get around the need for a big kite and board.
kiter101
kiter101
QLD
115 posts
QLD, 115 posts
24 Jun 2014 9:45pm
kiting just sucks in light wind.
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
24 Jun 2014 8:25pm
Loftywinds said...

A kite surfing "hovercraft" ). Upwind from the moment go is almost impossible.



Well yes... its called a foilboard
kemp90
kemp90
QLD
1694 posts
QLD, 1694 posts
25 Jun 2014 10:07am
the best solution is to hit the river mouths on a run out tide. I use in 11m c kite in 10knots with a run out tide, works a treat. just don't drop your kite or its certain death!!
ste
ste
WA
524 posts
ste ste
WA, 524 posts
25 Jun 2014 9:22am
Or just don't bother and do a million other things, I have a 2013 zephyr, but wouldn't bother pumping up bellow 13-14 knots, and takes me to 17-18
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
25 Jun 2014 12:20pm
kemp90 said...
the best solution is to hit the river mouths on a run out tide. I use in 11m c kite in 10knots with a run out tide, works a treat. just don't drop your kite or its certain death!!


OOoohh. I wouldn't dare. The guys in the "green suits" might come out of their hidy holes near those spots. Certain death for sure.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
25 Jun 2014 12:22pm
ste said...
Or just don't bother and do a million other things, I have a 2013 zephyr, but wouldn't bother pumping up bellow 13-14 knots, and takes me to 17-18


Which is why I was about >><< that close to buying one but nah.. decided I need something that really pulls my cock in light winds. Chrono I think is the go.
kemp90
kemp90
QLD
1694 posts
QLD, 1694 posts
25 Jun 2014 2:35pm
Loftywinds said...
kemp90 said...
the best solution is to hit the river mouths on a run out tide. I use in 11m c kite in 10knots with a run out tide, works a treat. just don't drop your kite or its certain death!!


OOoohh. I wouldn't dare. The guys in the "green suits" might come out of their hidy holes near those spots. Certain death for sure.


Haha for sure, I have a really clean river with plenty of sand bars so it's awesome but there are spots where you are on the menu, so I keep my garde up.
Just2807
Just2807
181 posts
181 posts
26 Jun 2014 11:17pm
I am noob and can't help u alot, all i can say i was, with my 2010 12m switchy, on about 12-13 (18-22 gusts) knots waterstarting and it pulled me well out of water (problem is i still cant stand on the water long but that's another issue) on a 142 tt, i am lighter (69 kg) and bigger board so thats probably it but i had good pull. Just wanted to say to calibrate the bar (owner before me had it depowered 13-14 cm-s) if u didn't, it will make huge difference. Some1 on forum pointed me at it saying it may seem like beginner mistake but is actually a "technical problem". I hope that is your problem because u will solve it in 15 min's. If u need tutorial, u will find it fast on youtube. (cabrinha bar tuning or smthn like that)Cheers
remo81
remo81
QLD
678 posts
QLD, 678 posts
27 Jun 2014 11:05am
Lofter, learn to tune your lines properly. Your kite will work so much better

Also old kite material stretches and will loose its shape. Kites from this decade will help.

LMAO
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
27 Jun 2014 1:17pm
Just2807 said...
I am noob and can't help u alot, all i can say i was, with my 2010 12m switchy, on about 12-13 (18-22 gusts) knots waterstarting and it pulled me well out of water (problem is i still cant stand on the water long but that's another issue) on a 142 tt, i am lighter (69 kg) and bigger board so thats probably it but i had good pull. Just wanted to say to calibrate the bar (owner before me had it depowered 13-14 cm-s) if u didn't, it will make huge difference. Some1 on forum pointed me at it saying it may seem like beginner mistake but is actually a "technical problem". I hope that is your problem because u will solve it in 15 min's. If u need tutorial, u will find it fast on youtube. (cabrinha bar tuning or smthn like that)Cheers


Thanks Justin. You could be right. I found out the other day when I was tuning the lines, that one line kept "shrinking" on one side. I pulled it of course, but after an hour it would shrink back, leaving the bar un-parrallel to the lines. I found out it was the depower straps where not aligned and was pulling on the swivel base to one side. Took it all apart and re-adjusted. Now it's perfect.

KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
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9 Jul 2014 4:22pm
Now this looks interesting

shinnworld.com/
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
9 Jul 2014 6:16pm
that is a sick board kit33r dam you now I got to buy another board . I say it would be a good board but I don't think it would be any good for a beginner .I wonder who sells it in queensland got to get me one .
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
14 Jul 2014 7:35am
12knots on a 14m with a 135TT sounds about right to me. i don't think you suck.

As others have said. Get a big board, 145x45 or bigger. Simply swap to your normal board when the wind builds.

Also for light wind loose the fins!. You have to be precise with your edging technique. But once sorted finless is lush and gives you a little more bottom end!
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