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elhucko
elhucko
TAS
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3 Sep 2013 1:12pm
Hey guys,
Thought about giving it a go on a surfboard this year.
I never tried it before, have no experience on a surfboard and am now kiting for 2 seasons.
I have a Airush Lithium 6m for those windy Tassie days, an Airush Varial 10m and a Varial 12m.
I'm around 90kg and 178cm.

So, my question is, what kind of board do I need? I guess its a lot easier to use a board with straps, right?

Thanks for your help
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
3 Sep 2013 1:46pm
yes straped in is easyer to start with but if you can ride a surfboard on waves or behind a boat I found not totally needed . Takes some time to get ya feet right on the board while in the water and flying the kite at the same time and keeping the board in the right spot but it is not imposable to do . Don't go out and buy a big dollar board straight off . At the risk of getting flamed off for my idea but it worked for me , go to cash converters and buy a sh**ty $60 board and go have some fun yes they break if you jump them or even if you load them up hard enough with the kite but it is good to get you started on .
Ps I still have 2 $60 boards I bought 3 years ago but hay I might not be pushing it hard like others .
happy winds and patience is needed to get it worked out but sweet at the end another bucket list ticked off .
elhucko
elhucko
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TAS, 253 posts
3 Sep 2013 1:51pm
Thanks for that. And what about the board size? And does it need to have fins?
Phoney
Phoney
NSW
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3 Sep 2013 1:55pm
I posted this in another thread the other day, but didnt get any responses. I'm in the same boat as you:

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I've been kiting for a year now on a TT and am ready to hit the surf. Not big surf to start with, and probably not big for a very long time to come. So with that in mind from what I've read above I should be looking for a flat & fat board with minimal rocker. But looking through the second hand listings I cant tell which is the right board for me. Ones I'm looking at are Naish Skater 5'4, north whip 5'8, cabrinha signature series 6'2. Or hell any of these:www.kitepower.com.au/collections/kitesurfing/Surfboards I weigh 78kg and am 180cm.
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A $60 board is an interesting idea. How difficult is it to attach foot straps to a surfboard?


elhucko: I've read elsewhere that you should pick a board that when you stand it up is shorter than the top of your head, up to about your neck / face height.
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
3 Sep 2013 2:06pm
Howdy El,

I bought my first directional/surfboard thing about a month ago and been out on it once. As S2A said, don't jump on them as even if they're designed for kiteboarding, they'll break or dent.

Yes get fin. My understanding is: 3 fins are 'slower' but easier to edge and jibe (perfect for a newbie) and four fins are quicker but turn/jibe slower. Note that this could be rubbish as I don't really know.

Like you i've no surfing experience. I've put straps on it for now. I can't ride toe side on a twin tip, so the straps are on until I master this. I'm keen to get rid of them as I don't want to depend on them, then have to re-learn when I remove them. FYI There's now waves where I kite here in Vic.

FYI, the straps are a bit of a pain as it's considerably harder putting a surfboard on your feet than a twin tip (assuming you're sitting in the water).
I found I needed two hands to put the board on and thus, a 10m kite on a gusty winter's day wasn't the best setup, a nice steady seabreeze and a 12m would have been preferred.

It's a lot of fun and different kind of riding to twin tips. More like piloting a boat than riding a board (I went for a 5'10" Cabrinah Skillet, purchased through seabreeze to keep this great site going... and because it was easier than going else where ;-)).

Finally, if you're going to kite on bigish waves for the first time(?) be careful, as a dropped kite with a big wave powering through it will pull you under water at a high rate... Plus pulling the QR in that scenario doesn't do much if you're connected to a leash. Seek some expert advice on this subject. I hear your best bet is: If you're not going unhooked, forget the leash and just pull the QR if you dunk the kite and you can't relaunch before a wave hits it... but I am not speaking from experience, just what I've read of others.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
3 Sep 2013 2:54pm
I am 6"3 and weigh 102kg (after 2 big macs) and I am using a 6"1 slingshot board. It's as hard as nails but still light.
I have a pad at the back but have waxed the rest of the board.

I started with two straps and have since graduated to just a single strap for the front foot for starting.
I found I needed to be able move the back foot quite forward in light winds to plane and dropped the rear strap.

My next progression is strapless.
elhucko
elhucko
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3 Sep 2013 3:48pm
Thanks heaps.
So the best is to try a board with straps on a kind of flatwater and just get used to it?
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
3 Sep 2013 3:54pm
elhucko said..

Thanks heaps.
So the best is to try a board with straps on a kind of flatwater and just get used to it?


From my perspective, yes... but I am a massive newbie. If you can 'graduate' to waves, probably better.

Note I did hit some swell on the one time I went out and it was much more stable than the twintip ...
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
3 Sep 2013 4:08pm
Don't worry about putting straps on the $60 board you can buy glue on ones but defets the purpose . Just buy a old board same size as you would paddle with ie. 2 inches taller than you are . Play around with it if you like it go buy a big dollar board from the kite shop they will size you up with the correct board . If had to 1 strap is all I would put on the front one as shuffling your back foot around on the board is nessery to do to find where your weight has to be to get the best out of the board . Yes rocker and how wide dose play a big ( is everything) to a surfboard but for a bit of fun and to see if you like it anything that is 2 inch higher will get you up and crusing . Don't forget at some point you have to turn around it is not a tt so stop drop get stuff sorted and go the other way . Hell even I have not mastered the art of a jibe good luck with it .
Yes number one rule in surf don't drop the kite . Number 2 rule : refer to rule one .
elhucko
elhucko
TAS
253 posts
TAS, 253 posts
3 Sep 2013 4:29pm
Thanks guys.
I like rule nr 2 (-:

But with 95kg and 178 would something like that work, or is it a way too short for the beginning?
www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Kitesurfing-Surfboards/~a0mv8/2010-Best--5-7.aspx?search=RCUCXWrvXuja5HgJBjy7Dg==

Dl33ta
Dl33ta
TAS
463 posts
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3 Sep 2013 6:36pm
I'm 94kg (damned winter coat!) 200 cm and have recently started riding a BWS Drifter 5'8" with straps. I think I could do with a tad more bouyancy, i.e. a 6'1 type board but the drifter's fun factor makes it easy to forget that. I just went straight into the surf with it as I figured there was no point delaying the inevitable. If you're in the surf already it's not a big difference besides having to go toeside. Watch out for the shallows, or you'll tear your box out Just make sure you're well powered up to start off with so you don't get stuck between sets and also to make toeside a bit easier.

Another tip is to only take your SB to the beach with you, no backup (backout!) plans. It's pretty easy to convince yourself that the SB isnt the right tool for the job right now.

Adding the SB to the mix for me has given me a quantum leap in enjoyment to a hobby I thought was already pressing all my buttons. The word spiritual might have been used when it all clicked in place for me but you know man, peace.
Phoney
Phoney
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
3 Sep 2013 6:40pm
I already have a 7"6 mini mal. Would that be ridiculously too big to practice on - to get a feel / see if i like it etc?
Dl33ta
Dl33ta
TAS
463 posts
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3 Sep 2013 7:13pm
Never tried it myself but reckon it'd be too slow to turn and too fast in the straights. Maybe go a mutant to transition across?
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
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3 Sep 2013 10:01pm
Go strapless, its not as hard as you think especially if you can practice on flat water, just concentrate on bringing your knees up and down with the chop and have lots of wax and also if you go strapless you can by any old surfboard to try it out, I am 90kg and use a 6'2 by 20" by 2 3/4" thick thruster, I brought a RRD directional a couple of months back as thought a kite specific board would be better than my surfboard and I used it 6 times and went straight back to the normal surfboard. Because my surfboard is thick it has allowed me to learn how to switch stance will all the time in the world to stuff it up and still be able to recover most of the time.
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
4 Sep 2013 8:55am
I tried the wax and got sick of the stuff getting all over me . Went off to foam place and bought some high density foam the stuff that dosnt suck water up about 10mm thick and just contact glue it on the top . Works sweet as but looks wrong but I don't care what it looks like as long as it works and as we are kiting on it your feet just melt the wax off it in no time .
Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
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4 Sep 2013 9:41am
My first surfboard for kiting was a 6'2" Bic epoxy board - and I have never surfed
At that time I was 92 Kg and it worked well for me.
An early learning for me was that the back strap position on all kitesurf boards is too far back -at least while you are learning.
It is a lot easier and more comfortable to have your back foot just in front of the back strap - and a front strap gives you a quick visual clue as to where your front foot should be! Plus having your toes under the front strap keeps you in touch with the board - easier~!

When water starting with a SB you don't normally start with your feet in the straps ( and certainly not the back one cuz you wont be using it anyway!) - just rest your heels on top of the board towards the upwind rail and then let the kite pull you up onto the board.

Have fun !!!
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
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4 Sep 2013 10:19am
Go strapless, unless you're trying to learn in big surf... which is a dumb idea anyway. It's not that difficult and you learn about board trim a whole lot faster which is muy importante. Save the straps for boosting and rough conditions.

I've been learning for the past few months on a 5'10" Dialer, strapless. I got up and rode back'n'forth on my first session, managed heel-to-toe transitions on my second and started trying to jibe at the same time... success rate (and style!) is low, but I'm getting there. Much easier without tripping over straps... and you get props from the hard-core surfer dudes for leaving the straps off

Start here: www.iksurfmag.com/technique/?q=strapless

There's adhesive plastic grip pads you can buy here (so assume you can but them anywhere) that replace wax and are just as good as the grip pad that came with the board from Slingshot. They're even mostly transparent so you can still see board graphics
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
4 Sep 2013 12:20pm
My 2c worth.... I went straight from lessons to a strapped surfboard (north WAM 6 foot).
Really like the board. I would suggest sticking to flat water until you can gybe with at least modest success. Nothing beats a big wave bearing down on you to stuff up a gybe.

My suggestion would also to be to start with straps then take them off once confident if you feel the need. On choppy water and going out through the surf having positive connection to the board makes a big difference. The whole jumping thing in waves, even little ones is a lot of fun and would be a lot harder strapless.

I think learning to ride toe side is pretty important too. Particularly when aforementioned big wave breaks in front of you and you turn and head back to the beach. You don't need to be switching feet, strapless or strapped in that situation.

That's my view for what it is worth!
eabmoto
eabmoto
95 posts
95 posts
5 Sep 2013 12:17am
If your goal is to ride strapless, you might as well start now. It's not hard to ride without straps and I would think they'd only get in the way, I've never ridden with straps so I don't know for sure. If you don't know how you want to ride, put some stick on straps on any cheap surf board and try it.
elhucko
elhucko
TAS
253 posts
TAS, 253 posts
5 Sep 2013 9:54pm
Guys, thanks heaps for all those infos.
Where do I get some straps to put on a board? Can u recommend anything online to get them?
I've an old surfboard I can use, not sure about the size. But it might work to start with. Thanks (-:
elhucko
elhucko
TAS
253 posts
TAS, 253 posts
5 Sep 2013 9:57pm
Kamikuza said...
Go strapless, unless you're trying to learn in big surf... which is a dumb idea anyway. It's not that difficult and you learn about board trim a whole lot faster which is muy importante. Save the straps for boosting and rough conditions.

I've been learning for the past few months on a 5'10" Dialer, strapless. I got up and rode back'n'forth on my first session, managed heel-to-toe transitions on my second and started trying to jibe at the same time... success rate (and style!) is low, but I'm getting there. Much easier without tripping over straps... and you get props from the hard-core surfer dudes for leaving the straps off

Start here: www.iksurfmag.com/technique/?q=strapless

There's adhesive plastic grip pads you can buy here (so assume you can but them anywhere) that replace wax and are just as good as the grip pad that came with the board from Slingshot. They're even mostly transparent so you can still see board graphics


And where do I get those plastic grip pads from?
Phoney
Phoney
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
11 Sep 2013 7:34pm
This is probably a stupid question, but here goes it:


Is it safe to wear a leg rope when kiting on surfboard or is it just as dangerous as wearing a kite board leash with a TT? if not, how hard is it to retrieve your board in surf?
Main
Main
QLD
2338 posts
QLD, 2338 posts
11 Sep 2013 10:00pm

I started with a leggie.

ive been hit by my board about 3 times in 30 years surfing and about 3 times in a month kitesurfing.

so I ditched the leggie.
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