Jumps - How to get Bigger and Better?

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Grindlestein
Grindlestein
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12 Apr 2011 1:08pm
I've started doing jumps and getting quite confident with landing and a few grabs... So basically I want to get bigger and better air.

I have a 10m Park 2011 and understand it is not massively powerful in (my) jumps (probably my technique) as I don't think I create enough power by utilising the speed of the kite... It may be a simple as being more aggressive and stop being a wuss!lol

When I initiate a jump I bring the kite to 12 and let the bar out (lines go loose) and start to edge and when the kite starts climbing I then pull in the bar to get air - is this the best way or is there something different I should be doing?

Basically I was wondering if anyone can give me some tips or advice on how to really edge and 'pop' into my jumps... with the result of getting some huge air and hang time!!!

Thank you in advance!
JJB
JJB
QLD
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JJB JJB
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12 Apr 2011 1:23pm
Im only a newb but I'm pretty sure you should keep pressure on your bar when move the kite up to 12 for a jump, remember you still need to be powered to be able to quickly move the bar up to 12 to generate lift. I am pretty sure its best to have your kite about 2/3 powered when you move to 12 and then pulling in the bar in the moment it gets to 12.

Other things is to remember to edge hard directly before the jump and lean back.

I was doing alright jumps one day and had one of the loud and experienced riders at my spot yell at me to pull it to 12 quicker.

So I manned up and was really agressive the next time I went for a jump, putting the kite up to 12 as fast as I could and I got much bigger air then I had gotten before.

So the 3 things are, edge harder, lean and keep the kite powered.
Grindlestein
Grindlestein
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12 Apr 2011 3:12pm
Thanks for the tips! I'll try them out and let you know how i get on...
KIT33R
KIT33R
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15 Apr 2011 3:50pm
Also, try to use a bit of crop as a ramp. This will also increase height in the jump.

Don't forget your landing! Bringing the kite forward as you descend will give forward momentum so that you don't just plop down in the water.

Point your board down wind on landing. I'll repeat this for emphasis. Point your board down wind on landing.

A smooth landing is as important as a high jump. It's all about style.

And if it all goes pear shaped and you've over rotated and are heading for a painful entrance into the drink, ditch the board to save serious injuries.

Most injuries on the water I personally know of have come from jumps. (knee dislocation, ankle fracture, heel shatter, dislocated femur, dislocated shoulder, fractured ribs, concussion, retinal detatchment, lacerations)
DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
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15 Apr 2011 6:14pm
KIT33R said...



Most injuries on the water I personally know of have come from jumps. (knee dislocation, ankle fracture, heel shatter, dislocated femur, dislocated shoulder, fractured ribs, concussion, retinal detatchment, lacerations)


...holly ****, KIT33R, from jumping? ... or do you mean from failed tricks?

Straight jumps are relatively simple once you learn the basics - and they can be learned relatively safely in small increments.
And yes, it's the landing, not the jump that is harder to learn. There is no point learning how to jump 8m high if you can't land a 2m jump - so the landing is definitely the key.

I'm not so sure about ditching the board though - in straight jumps, (and without board-offs), as ditching it wrongly has potential to cause more damage (if you ackwardly land on it) then keeping it on your feet. But I guess all situations are different, so no universal rule applies. If you do ditch for whatever reason, make sure it ends up BEHIND you, not in front or under you.
KIT33R
KIT33R
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15 Apr 2011 7:22pm
^^ You're right on all counts, Godfather. It's all in the landing, jumping or tricks.

My point is that landings should not be taken lightly (no pun intended). It's when a simple manouver can have consequences and I'm not exagerating the list of injuries, all these injuries happenned on the water.

Just adding to my previous comments, if you're landing with too much speed, dropping your bum into the water as you crash down is also an option to save ankle injuries.
adrood
adrood
42 posts
42 posts
15 Apr 2011 6:04pm
well going high is all about speed + tension on the kite. First thing you need to learn is to pop good. You will be using that for the lift .
You can have your kite around 11 and practice your load n pop in order to maximise the heght you are going (point downwind the board also for landings). When you master it do it along with moving the kite . That will result in bigger jumps (because you will be loading the kite lines more now)
After you master that add more speed (the pop will be just a swift move then and you need to learn to hold the rail) and faster sending the kite . When you master all add a chop and go higher than ever

Tips if you dont go high but you glide more then you need to pay attention to the board cause you lose the edge. Kite at jump should remain near 12 and you send it for softer landing on you way down (around 2 , 1 meter before the landing)

If you find yourself from the top of the jump hight falling down then focus on directing the kite correct or .. you are flying the kite on the back lines cause you pull the bar with too much power. Try to sheet out a bit . I hope i helped a bit
Bigwavedave
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16 Apr 2011 12:31am
It's all in the timing.

I send my kite from just above the water across the power zone to 2 O'clock.
The timing of edge and pop is critical as you can actually get to the same height as your kite. As I reach the peak of the jump I bring my kite up to 12 to get another boost of height. Then as I reach the top of that boost I loop the kite as i return to land at speed pointing my board downwind with knees bent.

This technique produces huge vertical jumps with veeeery long hang time and very fast landings a long way downwind.

Throw in a nose grab and it looks quite cool!!

I watched Andy and Keahi for ages to work out this kind of boosty jump in strong winds.

One mistake and you spend the afternoon in hospital

DaGodfather
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SA
280 posts
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16 Apr 2011 11:47am
Bigwavedave said...



...I send my kite from just above the water across the power zone to 2 O'clock...



...hmmm... 2 o'clock is just 30 degrees above the water... are you sure? ...unless you have a very fast kite (and can get it there and back up quickly) this would normally overfly the kite (as you dangle under it) and end up in a crash. Similarly in my experience sending the kite from "just above the water" (as in 9-9.30) would tend to increase the LENGTH of the jump but DECREASE the height - so you end up with a long but lowish jump...I found the best range to be between about 10-10.30 to 1-1.30 max, anything outside of these pulls me sidewise not up...
adrood
adrood
42 posts
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16 Apr 2011 4:50pm
i think 2 o clock is 2 much also. i like to load the lines and pop near 12 o clock let the kite to go 1 then when you near top get it to 12 , hang time keep kite there and when you about to land redirect it to give you a softer landing and after touch the water sheet out and continue course
QLD, 481 posts
16 Apr 2011 8:07pm
Ive seen him do it and it is impressive, but at your level try getting the board right first just think load and pop dont use waves thats cheating ( still fun ) and then mix your kite into it and so you know your 10 mtr park jumps great but you need to get the board right first.
Hope this helps
George
Rattlehead
Rattlehead
QLD
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16 Apr 2011 9:03pm
As stated if you want really big jumps send the kite past 12.00 back to around 1.00- 2.00 ,you can feel the kite slingshoting you straight up.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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17 Apr 2011 2:42am
DaGodfather said...

Bigwavedave said...



...I send my kite from just above the water across the power zone to 2 O'clock...



...hmmm... 2 o'clock is just 30 degrees above the water... are you sure? ...unless you have a very fast kite (and can get it there and back up quickly) this would normally overfly the kite (as you dangle under it) and end up in a crash. Similarly in my experience sending the kite from "just above the water" (as in 9-9.30) would tend to increase the LENGTH of the jump but DECREASE the height - so you end up with a long but lowish jump...I found the best range to be between about 10-10.30 to 1-1.30 max, anything outside of these pulls me sidewise not up...


Maybe you just need more experience?

9:30 across the window to 2 then up to 12 then a loop. Try it and maybe you'll increase the height, length and hang time of your jumps.

NSW, 4382 posts
17 Apr 2011 10:03am
DaGodfather said...

Bigwavedave said...



...I send my kite from just above the water across the power zone to 2 O'clock...



...hmmm... 2 o'clock is just 30 degrees above the water... are you sure? ...unless you have a very fast kite (and can get it there and back up quickly) this would normally overfly the kite (as you dangle under it) and end up in a crash. Similarly in my experience sending the kite from "just above the water" (as in 9-9.30) would tend to increase the LENGTH of the jump but DECREASE the height - so you end up with a long but lowish jump...I found the best range to be between about 10-10.30 to 1-1.30 max, anything outside of these pulls me sidewise not up...


He lives in Qld, they don't have daylight savings so its really only 1 o'clock!

wishy
wishy
WA
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17 Apr 2011 2:02pm
Read this essay by Mr Darren.
Sometimes I spew up now from going too high.
Print this out, take it to the beach and read it every time you come in for a drink. You will be going huge in no time, all you need is a Fast kite and heavy wind:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/How-to-get-HUGE-AIR/
Grindlestein
Grindlestein
VIC
21 posts
VIC, 21 posts
18 Apr 2011 5:50pm
Thank Guys - all this info is great!

One silly question though, can someone explain exactly what 'pop' is... Is it basically edging realy hard and resisting the kite and then its ready to pull you out the water or is it the above but then jumping with the kite as it pulls????
adrood
adrood
42 posts
42 posts
18 Apr 2011 8:25pm
Grindlestein said...

Thank Guys - all this info is great!

One silly question though, can someone explain exactly what 'pop' is... Is it basically edging realy hard and resisting the kite and then its ready to pull you out the water or is it the above but then jumping with the kite as it pulls????


its better to see



You use the tension from the lines of the kite to get lifted . Although the technique maybe different to each other basic stuff is this. you edge to grant tension to lines then pop to get lifted :)
Grindlestein
Grindlestein
VIC
21 posts
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19 Apr 2011 9:31am
adrood said...

Grindlestein said...

Thank Guys - all this info is great!

One silly question though, can someone explain exactly what 'pop' is... Is it basically edging realy hard and resisting the kite and then its ready to pull you out the water or is it the above but then jumping with the kite as it pulls????


its better to see


You use the tension from the lines of the kite to get lifted . Although the technique maybe different to each other basic stuff is this. you edge to grant tension to lines then pop to get lifted :)



Thanks very much, that video really shows the technique i was looking for! Perfect!!!
adrood
adrood
42 posts
42 posts
19 Apr 2011 8:28am
hehe mix that with moving the kite , a chop ramp , and a bit overpower

woodys
woodys
WA
218 posts
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20 May 2011 11:36am
Kitepower Australia said...
He lives in Qld, they don't have daylight savings so its really only 1 o'clock!



classic Steve !

Surprised no-one has picked ur comment "I bring the kite to 12 and let the bar out (lines go loose) and start to edge and when the kite starts climbing I then pull in the bar to get air"
Im surprised you get any air at all!
Its bar fully in while you edge hard then flick the kite back to 2:00 (QLD time).
If you havent learnt your load n pop corectly yet you will get yanked off the water when you should have popped anyhow.
Releasing your depower when your kite approaches 12 then pulling back will work but its sorta cheating. (and wont get you full height either)
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