Kites and boards for kiting bay and surf in Vic

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juz85
juz85
7 posts
7 posts
19 Aug 2016 7:19am
Hi guys,

I'm fairly new to the kiting scene, I started at the end of Summer 2016, weigh 70kg, can self launch and land provided it's safe, no problems staying upwind and trying to get used to some hang time. I usually kite at Brighton but venture out to other spots when the wind isn't ideal there.

I currently have one kite and one twin tip board, a 135cm Airush Switch twintip and a 10m Airush Lithium. I've been kiting most weeks through winter but finding that the 10m is usually too powerful when the wind gets up over 25knots even when fully de-powered. I don't really enjoy just surviving out there going back and forth.

I don't want to select a kite quiver suited only for twintip or directional at this point. I think I would enjoy the fun of both depending on the conditions and location. Happy to look at good quailty second hand gear or new 2016.

Kite for the low end? (15- 22 knots)
A friend is selling a 2015 Cab Switchblade 12m for a very reasonable price which I think would suit the light winds 15-20knots on my twin-tip.

Kite for the high end wind range (22knots +)
I'm considering a 7 or 8m North Neo to fill in the higher end conditions. I'm a keen surfer (not amazing skills) and would like to get a directional board to start in bay waves and progress to surf. I've been recommended the North Whip (5'4" or 5'6") and Wham (5'10") boards which look great.

Just looking for any suggestions out there from the bay sailors and wave guys? I'd consider selling the 10m lithium and go with the 12m Switchblade and a 7 or 8m Neo. Any other recommendations for kites/ boards out there. I don't want to spend a fortune on gear that won't fit the conditions on the bay. I'd prefer to have 2 kites that covers me 85% of the time instead of 3 that won't get used very often.

Thanks guys, appreciate your thoughts :)
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
19 Aug 2016 10:46am
Hi Juz

If you get rid of your 10m and only want 2 kites, the 7/8m + 12m combo is a bit of a stretch...when the winds are around 20 knots on the twin tip you'll start to be overpowered on the 12m and might be a bit just on the 7 or 8m...

The 12m is a must have if you want to be well powered under 20 knots on the twin tip or ride waves with a surfboard when it's pretty light.

Eventually you're gonna have to get a 3 kite quiver, especially if you throw a surfboard in the mix.

If you only want 2 kites then 9m + 12m is a good option and should cover from a bit below 15 knots up to 30 knots max, however you'll often be overpowered on the 9m and the surfboard unless the winds are below 20 knots. Most wave riders are overpowered...once you get into directional boards and wave riding you'll notice it's best to have a kite that is 2 to 3m smaller than what you would normally use on a twin tip.

In your case, I think the ideal quiver would something like 6m + 9m+ 12m. You don't have to have 3 bars either, just use 2 bars on 3 kites so you can save a bit of $ there.

Christian
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
19 Aug 2016 2:18pm
For Melbourne a 7m and 10m is almost the perfect quiver. That's what I use all the time. You don't really need a bigger kite. 9 times out of 10 I use my 7m. I have a 13m but I never use it.

Far more important is your board choice. For bay blasting then something wide and flat is ideal. There's a heap of guys on North Nuggets that are doing well. I think the North Wam is too narrow. Same for the Wip. They might be ok in pure surf but I think they would bog down in bay slop.

Two important things to note:

1. Getting power out of your kite is a skill. Most people use too big a kite most of the time. At first you might think you need a bigger kite to get going, but as soon as your skill develops you will be much better off on a smaller kite.

2. Boards with lots of rocker are slow and sap power. A well setup board is like having the power of a kite 2m larger with all the speed and agility and range of a smaller kite.
psychojoe
psychojoe
WA
2241 posts
WA, 2241 posts
19 Aug 2016 1:55pm
I can't believe I'm actually going to disagree with Christian here (no disrespect Christian). I would probably lean more toward Gorgo's advice

I weigh the same as you Juz and kited Brighton Victoria for a year always on an 8
I think you need an 8
then for light wind, well I just wouldn't bother

You could get a 7 for in the surf, but again I just wouldn't bother
juz85
juz85
7 posts
7 posts
21 Aug 2016 5:49am
Thanks for all of your great advice guys :)

I'm getting closer to deciding on the best quiver for me whether that's 2 or 3 kites I'm not sure. I was out at Brighton yesterday in gusty and lumpy WNW conditions. I understand the need to have more power when the water is more like a washing machine, however the more I ride the less I think the 12m would get much use because I'm riding the 10m in lighter and lighter conditions with better results.

I'm leaning towards a 7m North Neo and keeping my 10m Airush Lithium. If I decide to get a 3rd kite I'll probably have to decide on a brand so I don't have to buy too many bars.

Thanks again for your input!
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
26 Aug 2016 10:03pm
I had a 12, 9 (Lithiums) and 7 (Crossbow) for quite a while and found I was hardly using the 12 (with a Nugget) but was overpowered on the 9 above 30 knots.

Now I have a 10 and 8 (Airush Unions) and use them most of the time. Good de-power means you get better wind range, so you need to research the kite characteristics and not just consider the size.

I also have an Ocean Rodeo Flite 14.5 which gets me out in very light winds, but not too often. Its a great kite for its size.

Have put some more info on quivers here: kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/gear/kite-quivers
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