Kitesurfing in Rivermouths

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Dl33ta
Dl33ta
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5 Apr 2013 7:55pm
Not that I'm a pro here but after what I saw yesterday its probably not a bad idea to put this forward as a plan for newbies. Was kite surfing the river mouth at Cotton Tree yesterday, a decent squall came through that was a bit much for my 11 meter so I parked on the beach for a bit to wait it out. At the same time as I was parking a new looking fella was heading out.

Got chatting on the beach for a bit and looked over to the far side of the river mouth to see the guy's kite in the water and being buzzed by a squaddie on a jet ski. His kite narrowly missed the rocks on the little island and presumably he washed up on North Shore. A good 15km hike back to his starting point. Obviously this could have ended up a lot worse, i.e. being dragged across the rocks and oysters.

I think a lot of people forget that once they are on the plane they are trucking along at close to or over 25 knots or close to 50 km/h, it takes less than a minute to cross a river mouth, even a wide one. You really need to have a plan B when you head out and establish clear boundaries of where you will kite to. Something like I'll kite to this point because if I wipe out I'll drift down to this soft landing, or if I get pushed out to sea I'll self recover and head for this point.

A lot of people find estuaries and river mouths attractive due to the lack of waves but I'll think you'll find it a lot easier to extract yourself from a waved beachside than the main channel of an estuary during spring (biggest difference between high and low) tides. This incident happened during neaps, close to the bottom of the tide but looked from my position just a case of poor planning.

Seriously don't get rescued by a squaddie, it adds to their self righteousness and gives them stats to use to close out kite surfers. Unless you're seriously in the sh1t, tell them thanks but not thanks, employ your self recovery plan and resign yourself to the extra long remastered version of the "walk of shame".

To sum up:

* Draw a mental picture of your kiting area with clear exit points for when the inevitable happens.
* Take into account wind direction, tide direction, strength of the tide and any dangerous obstacles (people, rocks, rabid dogs).
* Keep track of your position at all times and stick to your plan. Even if it looks sh1tty to turn inside your boundary do it anyway. If you have planned right and you wipe out at least you drift to where you want to.
* If you break your boundary make a new one with new exit points before you turn. Never turn in front of rocks/people/swimmers unless you're confident you can recover successfully before drifting on to them.
* Educate yourself on the tides, never go into an estuary unless you know the time and range of the tide.
* If it's gusty (South Easterly in QLD) and you're a beginner you WILL end up in the water and quite probably make a mess of your kite. Factor this into your plan.

Apart from all that, nice to finally get some wind again. Six hours of kiting yesterday and 3 today.. legs of jelly have I.
stuflys
stuflys
QLD
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QLD, 37 posts
5 Apr 2013 8:04pm
Very good, how ever I'm not a noob and I ended up washed up over that little island today. Dropped the kite in the water and got hit by a big set, next minute kite was deth looping so I released and it kept looping after a couple of seconds I decided to ditch my kite and swim. Lets just say it's time for a new kite as it ended up on the oyster rocks as with me, f..k me they are sharp! And had to get someone to pick me up to take me back to cottontree from
North shore. Lesson learnt from today, don't crash I'm big surf infront of little island, $1500 lesson learnt today, only good thing being I saved my 1000 board and only have a few scratches and cuts!
Dl33ta
Dl33ta
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5 Apr 2013 9:50pm
The guy I saw was yesterday, if that was you there was no offence intended. The intent of the post was to let others learn from my observation and your misfortune. Glad you made it out in one relative piece. Anything to add or change to what I have written?
stuflys
stuflys
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5 Apr 2013 9:02pm
Ow no sorry mate I was today I was just adding my story in. Unlucky for the guy that also ended up there, and no I think your thread is good, it's what I do all the time, except for today :((
Fly on da wall
Fly on da wall
SA
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SA, 725 posts
5 Apr 2013 10:03pm
Hey Guy's,was thinking of going to Cotton Tree... But would Dickie Beach
at Caloundra be better for surf riding? And I hear it's a nice big beach there?

O'h, n sorry to hear bout the mishap the other day. Hope you get back out
there soon!
Dl33ta
Dl33ta
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5 Apr 2013 11:08pm
Never done Dicky but have kite surfed just a bit further North from Currumundi to Buddina. Waves can get pretty intense after a few days of solid SE, awesome stretch of beach though. On the ebb the current flows South and you can have a nice play inside the break.

That being said Cotten Tree can be pretty good as well on an ebb tide, I go there when it gets too big at Warana/Buddina. Nice waves on the lip of the river mouth and up to the surf club.
dusta
dusta
WA
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5 Apr 2013 8:31pm
Dl33ta said...


I think a lot of people forget that once they are on the plane they are trucking along at close to or over 25 knots or close to 50 km/h,


halve your guestimate and it's more of an accurate speed on a tt .
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
5 Apr 2013 11:34pm
Very valid point D133ta
I had planned going to cotton tree this arvo but got a late start at work due to the rain so didn't make it
I worked at sea for 9 years and when we talk "weather" it has nothing to do with sun or rain! It is all about tide and wind! One of the things we practiced on a regular basis is emergency drills, what happens if......., what do we do? The safety aspect and backup plan was drilled into us during lessons and should be a compulsory module for all kite schools! Unfortunately most people new to kiting will not tolerate a few hours in the classroom learning about the rule of twelfths and how tides work.

I have seen the current rip through Cotton Tree at over 5 knots (9km/hr) and even witnessed someone trying to swim his kite across it. It is a very good idea to educate yourself about "weather", have a backup plan and practice self rescues.

Just my contribution
Fly on da wall
Fly on da wall
SA
725 posts
SA, 725 posts
8 Apr 2013 8:33pm
Thanks for the tips guy's. Had a kite at Dicky Saturday morning!
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
10 Apr 2013 9:09pm
Very relevant to this topic but I posted the stuff below in the "General" section originally because all water users should be aware of it, especially sports like Kiting, SUP, Kayaking etc

How much current can there be?
Thought this might help a few to understand the volume of water moving through tidal rivers and lagoons:
If you average time between high and low tide to 6 hours then:
1/12th of the water moves in 1st hour
2/12ths in the second hour
3/12ths in the 3rd hour
3/12ths in the 4th hour
2/12ths in the 5th hour
1/12th in the 6th hour

This means that if the difference between high and low tide is 1.6m (tomorrow in Mooloolaba) then half the water (0.8m) will run into/out of the river mouth in a 2 hour period (during the 3rd and 4th hour after the slack tide)
This is obviously when the current is at its' strongest. The strength of the current will relate directly to the volume of water (size of river/lagoon) and how wide or deep the inlet is.

I hope the above info creates some understanding for somebody and helps them make an informed decision which could keep them out of trouble in the future or perhaps save a life.
Cheers



pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
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25 Apr 2013 1:15am
Hey Dl33tr,
On a SE'r down Byron way, the water will generally be moving to the North unless you are lucky and find a weird rip or gutter sending it South. (We had one for about 2months at the local but it's moved on, it was pretty handy!)
You mentioned that on an ebb tide the current heads south. Is this a genral rule of thumb for all beaches or just near river mouths? I was out on a flood tide today and could have done with abit of that ebb tide magic!
Dl33ta
Dl33ta
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1 May 2013 10:32pm
pattiecannon said...
Hey Dl33tr,
On a SE'r down Byron way, the water will generally be moving to the North unless you are lucky and find a weird rip or gutter sending it South. (We had one for about 2months at the local but it's moved on, it was pretty handy!)
You mentioned that on an ebb tide the current heads south. Is this a genral rule of thumb for all beaches or just near river mouths? I was out on a flood tide today and could have done with abit of that ebb tide magic!


Hey Pattie,

No definitely not a rule of thumb, just for our tidal zone (sunshine coast). Each area of the coast will have a basin where a central point causes the water to ebb and flood in a particular direction. Throw a small stick in the water mid tide and see which way it heads. Easier to do it around a full or new moon when the current will be more distinct.

Generally around river mouths you just get an in and out effect in the main channel and sometimes stronger currents near bends and deeper parts that you can use to your advantage. If only the wind got its sh1t sorted and synced itself with the tide!
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