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Efilnikufesin
Efilnikufesin
QLD
135 posts
QLD, 135 posts
3 Apr 2015 12:20pm
G'day Folks ! I 'm into my second year at kiting but only been out a dozen times or so . I am still having trouble getting up on the board , Never had any previous board experience so I am finding kite control and riding at the same time difficult . Just wondering if anyone else out there has gone through the same thing? , and if you want to share your story !
stuntnaz
stuntnaz
NSW
540 posts
NSW, 540 posts
3 Apr 2015 1:37pm
Sounds like you just need more kiting time !!
Focus more on your kite than your board other wise you will be dropping your kite heaps.
Board skills will come in time . Try watching progression videos that will help with your board skills as well.
It just comes down to practice and time ,
You will feel like you are not getting anywhere but don't worry all of a sudden it will start to click and you will be having the time of your life !!
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
3 Apr 2015 2:09pm
Efilnikufesin said..
G'day Folks ! I 'm into my second year at kiting but only been out a dozen times or so . I am still having trouble getting up on the board , Never had any previous board experience so I am finding kite control and riding at the same time difficult . Just wondering if anyone else out there has gone through the same thing? , and if you want to share your story !



You can't expect much improvement if you only get out once every month or two...The best thing you can do is allocate yourself a week or two of daily kiting in a good location with regular wind. This may mean taking some time off and going for a trip somewhere. This is what made the difference for me. I tried learning in the worse conditions back in Canada, and couldn't get going for a year, even though I had a heavy background in all sorts of boards sports. Kite control wasn't natural for me and I just didn't have the right conditions and enough regular practice to improve to the point of being comfortable with the kite...until I took a 1 week trip to a windy shallow water location, and paid a coach for 2 days. This trip made all the difference, with coaching and regular wind, I got going easily after that.

Try far North Queesnland this winter (usually July-August are the best months but can also be good in other months) if you don't want to go too far.

Also, try to get some wakeboarding lessons or simply go to a cable park. This will work on your board skills. There is one in Cairns, best way to spend your time if there are non windy days.

Christian
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89 posts
3 Apr 2015 2:10pm
Can you say little more about what aspects you are having trouble with?

Eg. Is it the initial thing of getting up on the board? Do you get up and going for a little bit and then sink ?

For the first one- there's a lot of good advice on here in the famous "Lessons learned" thread, or if you are more visual learner, as stuntnaz says, the videos can really help.

Ultimately, you will need to develop muscle memory and the required motor patterns.

I was initially really scared to dive the kite enough because when I did I kept face planting.

What helped was being super aware of my back edge prior to and during the first dive, and then thinking "just roll up onto board with slightly bent legs" ie trying to keep my point of balance low until the kite had made the dive and was in the zone for the pull. The relationship between your edge and power of the kite is the key so if you can link them in your mind and body you will quickly have more confidence and the power will (mostly) be yours to control (got to leave some power for the sea and the wind to remind you of your place in the world!).

Let your harness take the pull, lean back and point your belly button towards the kite.

For the second one, for me it was about remembering to keep the kite moving even just a little bit because then you will feel when you need a little more or less power to keep the board tracking.

Good luck...you'll get there soon.










RideLikeAGirl
RideLikeAGirl
VIC
42 posts
VIC, 42 posts
3 Apr 2015 7:02pm
You're not alone. It took me forever to get up and going! Get out there as much as you can and consider investing in a trainer kite to improve your kite control (and to muck around with when there's not enough wind - it's quite fun actually and good for the arm muscles!). Also, use a bigger board!
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
3 Apr 2015 7:53pm
If I were to assume that in your one dozen outings you spent no more than two hours swinging a kite through the air, then you only 24 hours of kite time.

After 24 hours, i had learnt walk upwind with my kite really well, body drag and not much else.

If you want to improve you need to kite more......
Efilnikufesin
Efilnikufesin
QLD
135 posts
QLD, 135 posts
3 Apr 2015 9:16pm
bfg said...
Can you say little more about what aspects you are having trouble with?

Eg. Is it the initial thing of getting up on the board? Do you get up and going for a little bit and then sink ?

For the first one- there's a lot of good advice on here in the famous "Lessons learned" thread, or if you are more visual learner, as stuntnaz says, the videos can really help.

Ultimately, you will need to develop muscle memory and the required motor patterns.

I was initially really scared to dive the kite enough because when I did I kept face planting.

What helped was being super aware of my back edge prior to and during the first dive, and then thinking "just roll up onto board with slightly bent legs" ie trying to keep my point of balance low until the kite had made the dive and was in the zone for the pull. The relationship between your edge and power of the kite is the key so if you can link them in your mind and body you will quickly have more confidence and the power will (mostly) be yours to control (got to leave some power for the sea and the wind to remind you of your place in the world!).

Let your harness take the pull, lean back and point your belly button towards the kite.

For the second one, for me it was about remembering to keep the kite moving even just a little bit because then you will feel when you need a little more or less power to keep the board tracking.

Good luck...you'll get there soon.














I tend to crash right after a water start , your comments have highlighted a lot of what I am doing wrong ! While I have had about 3 full days of lessons , I tend to practice on my own so I guess I 've taught my self some bad technique. Thanks every one for your contributions , I will definitely take your advice on board . I have a bit of leave owing to me , so I might get out there and get into it !
rockykite
rockykite
VIC
62 posts
VIC, 62 posts
3 Apr 2015 11:20pm
Everyone is spot on with what they're saying, having just gone through a long learning curve myself.
I took up the sport 3 years ago, and it was only this summer I made some real good progress (able to start riding upwind) because of one reason alone- I was fitting in 2-3 sessions per week.
Prior to this, I was only going heading out once every 3 weeks or so during summer, and 2-3 times during winter. Evidently, there were periods of 6-8 months where I didn't even go out at all, and this really hampered my progress. So my number one tip to you would be as Christian suggested, really start committing to it and get out a few times a week. You need to build that muscle memory, and that only comes with repetition.

The other thing I will suggest to you is when you're starting to learn how to water start, have as many attempts as you can even if you're drifting downwind to the next beach. A lot of people have a couple of short tacks and do the 'walk of shame' back up to there starting point. This really stagnates the amount of attempts you can fit in a session. Obviously you must know how to self land (you can find the videos on these forums) as there probably won't be any kitesurfers along the next beach to help you land.

This sport really does test out your determination and perseverance, and that is one battle you can't lose if you want to succeed!
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
3 Apr 2015 9:37pm
rockykite said...
This sport really does test out your determination and perseverance, and that is one battle you can't lose if you want to succeed!


Absolutely! I reckon the majority of kiters who give up do so mostly because of a lack of perseverance. Put in the time and effort and you'll always get rewarded
1950
1950
71 posts
71 posts
4 Apr 2015 1:44am
Find good spot, shallow, lots of space. It's hard lear in deep water. You just drift downwind, go back up and get tired.
Wait for an good day. Ideal conditions 15-18kts. If there are kiters around, there should be some who rides. If you are alone, something is not good. 99% no wind
Be comfortable and enjoy what you are doing. Setup, self launch, etc...
Have a plan. I'll drift up to here, body drag up there, if something happens safety zone is here. If you just wait to some magic to happen, it will not happen.

Practice. Move kite a lot. a lot. Fly it. You should not stop move it first two or three dives to get up & planing. Let front lines pull you (first dive) and then sheet out and pull hard on harness so you are pulling kite up. Repeat that until you can park it or crash :)

Read this: www.bayareakiteboarding.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=7845

In two sessions, at least 2 hours in water keep trying you'll be up & riding even shouting on wind when your kite lines starts to sing.

Good luck
Swavek
Swavek
WA
396 posts
WA, 396 posts
4 Apr 2015 6:14am
Lots of good info in the link provided above except one - don't expect to ride upwind in 4-8 hrs as claimed in the write-up. Most people need 40-60 hrs in the water to get going ( for me it hapened after about 15 sessions 3 hrs each). There are exceptions, some peple may have a gift, but 4 - 8 hr learning curve sounds like rubbish to me .
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
4 Apr 2015 11:45am
Swavek said..
Lots of good info in the link provided above except one - don't expect to ride upwind in 4-8 hrs as claimed in the write-up. Most people need 40-60 hrs in the water to get going ( for me it hapened after about 15 sessions 3 hrs each). There are exceptions, some peple may have a gift, but 4 - 8 hr learning curve sounds like rubbish to me .


Completely agree with Swavek. I've taught over 500 students and the progression described in this article corresponds to only 10% of them, typically those who are naturally gifted with kite control and have a solid background in board sports. For the other 90% it's gonna take more time.
scotteth
scotteth
7 posts
7 posts
6 Apr 2015 11:29am
One of the things that helped me a fair bit when trying to get up (not that I can do it like a pro), is remembering to start moving downwind and get up some speed before edging. When I started it would either go over the board or just not get up. Moving with a flatter board downwind first was something that I saw on the Progression DVD and it made starting off a lot easier. I think the suggestion of going to the wakeboarding park helps you to get a better feel for this too.

The thing that I'm having difficulty with now is controlling speed and edging upwind. Extremely inconsistent results that are only going to improve with a few solid days on the water.
Shark Biscuit
Shark Biscuit
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
7 Apr 2015 2:41pm
I watched and rewatched and rewatched the progression DVD1. It contains a wealth of knowledge. But you gotta watch it more than once for everything to sink in. I used to watch it in small increments depending on which level I was at.
I am still learning but have become pretty confident on the water. You just gotta get out and practice regularly in order to increase your learning speed and fitness.

Good luck, it's soooo worth it.
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