Learning late in the season in WA

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Jonnyfurious
Jonnyfurious
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11 posts
11 Mar 2014 12:48pm
Hello all!,

After having some lessons and getting up and going I'd like to get my own gear and get out on my own / with a friend.

The only thing is because of the changing winds and not being able to afford a range of kites I'm now not sure what gear to get.

I'm just wondering if you guys think I should wait, buy one larger kite for the light winds, a smaller one for the stronger winds, or if there is another option I've not considered?

Thanks

jamesperth
jamesperth
WA
611 posts
WA, 611 posts
11 Mar 2014 8:38pm
I'm far from an expert but my 2c worth ..... I'm 85 ish kgs and find and 8/9 + 12/13 combo is really the minimum in WA. You'll use both a lot, so would look for someone upgrading and selling a couple of kites on the forums. Don't buy anything too old, $500-$600 per kite should get you started.
towny49
towny49
SA
19 posts
SA, 19 posts
11 Mar 2014 11:12pm
Hi mate,

I am a noob and you should seek further confirmation, but for what its worth....
I started my lessons with instructor on a 7 in fair bit of breeze. Then purchased 12m to start on my own. Was trying to learn when too windy. Swapped 12 for 7m... big mistake! was really in strife, the small ones move thru the sky so quickly, v unforgiving, set me back a month. trying to learn in choppy seas, in high wind is a recipe for becoming disheartened in my opinion unless with an instructor.
The kite that really got me going was a switchblade 14m! could use in much lighter winds, flat seas and very easy to get up and going quickly. Still need 12 or 11 because 14 gets overpowered pretty quickly for me as wind freshens.
So I believe bigger is better at the start. Now i have the basics down I go out in everything to learn.
Hope that helps
PKC
PKC
WA
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PKC PKC
WA, 130 posts
12 Mar 2014 4:17pm
Jonnyfurious said...
[br]Hello all!,

After having some lessons and getting up and going I'd like to get my own gear and get out on my own / with a friend.

The only thing is because of the changing winds and not being able to afford a range of kites I'm now not sure what gear to get.

I'm just wondering if you guys think I should wait, buy one larger kite for the light winds, a smaller one for the stronger winds, or if there is another option I've not considered?

Thanks



What weight are you? What conditions are you going to kite in? Flat or surf? I'm 65kg, 2 days ago I was on my 6m, the next day my 10m day after my 8m. It really pays to have a range of kites. Means yours not limited. In you case only wanting 1 kite, best to go mid range, not to big not to small. A lot of people will be selling off last seasons gear very soon.
Jonnyfurious
Jonnyfurious
11 posts
11 posts
12 Mar 2014 8:57pm
Cheers for the advice guys. I'm 65kgs and as I'm still fairly new I think initially lighter winds would be best? I'm keen to progress though so I guess the message is to accept that I'm gonna need a few kites. Good point though I think I'll wait a few weeks for the sales!
Any of you guys ride near Pinnaroo point?
Jim621
Jim621
WA
47 posts
WA, 47 posts
13 Mar 2014 3:20pm
Mate - it depends on how many kites you intend to buy all up.
If you are only going to get 1, then buy a size perfect for the normal seabreeze - ie in WA for an 85kg rider a 10m is perfect.
If you are going to get 2, then you would buy one smaller and one larger than the perfect size - ie again for WA, buy a 9m and a 12m or 8m and a 11m.
If you are going to buy 3 or more, then get one the perfect size, one smaller and one bigger. ie 8m, 10m and 13m.

I recon the smaller kites have a smaller usable windrange, so you want to have a smaller size range with the smaller kites.....if that makes sense. (ie for example a 2 square meter size difference between you smallest kite and middle kite, but you can have a 3 to 4 square meter difference between your middle and largest kite.

Steve.

cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
15 Mar 2014 10:36pm
Jonnyfurious said..

Hello all!,

After having some lessons and getting up and going I'd like to get my own gear and get out on my own / with a friend.

The only thing is because of the changing winds and not being able to afford a range of kites I'm now not sure what gear to get.

I'm just wondering if you guys think I should wait, buy one larger kite for the light winds, a smaller one for the stronger winds, or if there is another option I've not considered?

Thanks



move to the Midwest its not stopped blowing here
Jonnyfurious
Jonnyfurious
11 posts
11 posts
8 Apr 2014 5:15pm
For those of you that weigh around 65 - 70kgs do you find a 8m & 10m or 9m & 11m gives the best wind range for Perth area?

Cheers
Andy T
Andy T
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
8 Apr 2014 5:46pm
Johnny, I'm 65kg own 10, 8 and 6
10m for 15-20kn
8m for 18 - 25th
6m for 23kn +
If you only want 2 kites I'd go 7/8 and 10/11
one kite I'd go 9m but in strong Seabreeze you'll be overpowered. Modern kites have excellent depower which extends the wind range heaps meaning you can get away with a bigger size variation in your quiver. I learnt on and still use/love rpms. Also important when starting to keep to the same type and brand of kite as they all have differing characteristics between brands and models. (Depower location, 4line or 5 line, flying characteristics etc) I have a quiver of 2011 rpms
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
10 Apr 2014 4:46pm
Jonnyfurious said..

For those of you that weigh around 65 - 70kgs do you find a 8m & 10m or 9m & 11m gives the best wind range for Perth area?

Cheers


Too close - too much cross over when they are only 2M different.
@ 70kgs in Perth Id be looking at the 11M as your 1st & biggest kite - learn in lighter winds
Then add a 7M (or 8?) when you have the big kite well dialed.

Great time to be buying - superseded & used kites being sacrificed atm.
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
10 Apr 2014 10:37pm
Jonnyfurious said..

Hello all!,
You may get
After having some lessons and getting up and going I'd like to get my own gear and get out on my own / with a friend.

The only thing is because of the changing winds and not being able to afford a range of kites I'm now not sure what gear to get.

I'm just wondering if you guys think I should wait, buy one larger kite for the light winds, a smaller one for the stronger winds, or if there is another option I've not considered?

Thanks



The bad news is that the season is just about over. Like you I learnt late in the season. At the time I had expected to be able to ride throughout winter but sadly that's not the case. It smokes a big one when you've just gotten going and are fully stoked, then the wind stops. You may get a couple of opportunities throughout the off season but the wind is frontal driven which usually makes it highly gusty and unpredictable. These conditions are very dangerous for everyone but especially so for newbies. Last winter Pinaroo Point was completely washed away. And then there's the seaweed hugging the shoreline 20m deep. If I was you I'd be purchasing gear for the normal (next) season conditions. I'm sure your teacher gave you kite size advice....at 70kg I would suggest 9m and 12m. The 12m should get you going in any lighter conditions left this year (if any) and lighter condition days at the start of next season (October). The 9m would be your most used kite during the thick of the season.
thrillho
thrillho
WA
9 posts
WA, 9 posts
12 Apr 2014 5:18pm
Hi all,

Some great advice on here thanks - exact question I wanted to ask.

Could anyone please tell me what size would be good for someone who weighs 55 kilos?

So far through lessons I've found the larger kites easier to get up and move around with (once depowered a little) but I really don't know where to start in buying. The instructor suggested I get a 7m one but they seem a bit small.... have just been down at Margs watching them zip around with their little kites and I don't think I'm quite there yet

Oh also I would like to just buy one kite to start up with next season. Once I get confident then I may look into getting more if needed.
Andy T
Andy T
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
13 Apr 2014 9:59am
at 55kg and for next season id go 7m. my son at 60kg uses an 6 and 8 for perth summer
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Apr 2014 4:17pm
You will almost certainly end up with 2 or maybe even 3 kites.
IMO best to go with a large kite for your weight to start with.
Learn in lighter winds with a slower kite. WTG
When skills & confidence builds then look for a smaller kite for the windier days.
At 55kg 8M or 9M would be the go BUT keep it to light wind days only.
Dont ever discount the value of a body drag session - as long as you are moving under your kite you are learning kite skills.
Esp as a raw recruit when you are body dragging you can concentrate solely on the kite - kite skills are 90%+ of the game.
Subculture
Subculture
443 posts
443 posts
20 Apr 2014 11:07am
puppetonastring said..

Dont ever discount the value of a body drag session - as long as you are moving under your kite you are learning kite skills.
Esp as a raw recruit when you are body dragging you can concentrate solely on the kite - kite skills are 90%+ of the game.


This ^^^^

Pick a light, quiet day and do it.
Jonnyfurious
Jonnyfurious
11 posts
11 posts
3 May 2014 12:14pm
Well in a moment of impulsivity I picked up an 8m Cabrinha Switchblade and a 140 Naish Hero - apparently I'm to write my name on it with marker pen?!?

So if you see a newbie at Pinners or Mullaloo that will be me.

Although given the wind forecast I'll probably just be practicing with it on the beach!
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
4 May 2014 12:18pm
Jonnyfurious said..

Well in a moment of impulsivity I picked up an 8m Cabrinha Switchblade and a 140 Naish Hero - apparently I'm to write my name on it with marker pen?!?



A strip of clear packing tape on the deck, write your name and mbl number on the tape and seal it with a strip of the same tape over the top of it. A carton is standard for a returned board.
Jonnyfurious
Jonnyfurious
11 posts
11 posts
4 May 2014 5:26pm
Good plan cheers.


A strip of clear packing tape on the deck, write your name and mbl number on the tape and seal it with a strip of the same tape over the top of it. A carton is standard for a returned board.


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