Light wind kite options

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SpawnofFossl
SpawnofFossl
SA
116 posts
SA, 116 posts
9 Mar 2011 2:30pm
So I was looking into light wind kites as I weigh 105kg and my 12m keeps my cruising from about 15-25 knots. I was wondering whether a 14m kite would be good enough to get out on the water for the 10-15 knot range. I have been looking at a 16m liquid forc havoc 09 as a possible option but was told that a 16m kite would be too big.

I would be looking to buy second hand so anything older than 2008 in that size range i would think would be asking for trouble in regards to safety.

Anyone else got any views in regards to this?
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
9 Mar 2011 4:19pm
A lot of the newer kites are much better for light wind kiting than a pre 08 one. Maybe an old hard core bow would do it.

I would recommend a Lithium LW 13m. That would easily have you going in that range. Also perhaps an Ozone Zepher

Personally, light wind kiting frustrates the hell out of me. But each to thier own.
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
9 Mar 2011 2:25pm
Why too big? Have a look at the Ozone Zepher 17m or Core Riot 17m lightwind.
both are good kites in the light stuff be good for around 12kts. The 10kt and lower range you would need a race board though.
NSW, 4382 posts
10 Mar 2011 9:11am
KP Sydney has a used Ozone Zephyr for sale, call the guys 0n 02 95296894
It has a big wind range, but you do need to use a bigger board to get down to the 10 knots range.
For you it should work well from 10/12 to 20/22, we have a local, experienced, customer that weighs 110 and uses it from 14/15 to 25-30
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
QLD, 796 posts
10 Mar 2011 8:40am
Have a look for a Core Riot 17m. These kites dont fly like a 17m. Very responsive and comfortable to ride in that wind range.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
10 Mar 2011 10:12am
Also test drive the Best Tabou & Liquid Force Envy. For the Tabou, it will be hard to find another as light weight and faster turning 17m kite around. Also pretty light for bar pressure. For good planning wind conditions, we found the Liquid Force 15m Envy is most popular for guys your weight in our area. If you can find a cheap Havoc, then it might be a good cheap low wind kite addition to your quiver. I prefer the 2008 Havoc than the 2009 as it feels more grunty. They increased the aspect ratio in 2009, but in 2010 they dropped the middle strut and the kite rose up to a totally different level. Test as many kites as you can and choose the one you find the most joy to fly!
QLD, 481 posts
10 Mar 2011 1:12pm
14 mtr rebel with nobile flying carpet and you will go upwind in 10knts and still have fun ive ridden that combo in tidal flow with nearly no wind
Have fun
George
DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
SA, 280 posts
10 Mar 2011 2:11pm
Hi Ryan,

If you are serious about light wind kiting you may also need a bigger board - on some days you need both a big kite and a big board. A bigger board is particularly useful if you are expecting the wind to pick up - then you just start with your normal kite and a big board and swap boards if the wind picks up - easier then swapping kites.

Also the trouble with kiting in light wind at Parham (where as you know we kite frequently) is that the wind doesn't usually stay light for the whole session. In all of last year I only remember 1, maybe 2 sessions where the wind stayed 10-15 knots. But I remember many more sessions (both in summer and in winter) when wind picked up from the initial 10-12 knots to 20-25+++ knots within less then half an hour (hell - sometimes in minutes). Many times (particularly in winter) if we rigged up big we'd end up in trouble.

But on those truly light wind days (ie. 10-15 knots) I just used my 14m Switchblade (at 100kgs I'm only 5kgs lighter then you) and my standard 135x41 board. And I fully agree with Paradox - light wind kiting is frustrating, because light winds are unstable and can easily drop out to 5 knots at times - so no matter how big your kite is you need to be patient.


BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
10 Mar 2011 2:59pm
Griffin has released the new 17m Argo.

Also the North Dyno is now available in 16m and 18m

DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
SA, 280 posts
11 Mar 2011 11:39am
SpawnofFossl said...


... but was told that a 16m kite would be too big...



I just re-read your original post again - just to clarify - 16m would be too big for TYPICAL Parham conditions, but in the context of light wind kiting nothing is too big - as long as the wind doesn't pick up too much.
kiteprincess
kiteprincess
QLD
9 posts
QLD, 9 posts
11 Mar 2011 4:40pm
There's nothing worse than flying a big kite that turns like a bus. I've flown 17m contra's before and though nice and stable, not exactly fun. I'd have a look at something like a bandit dos as they have plenty of grunt and depower when it picks up but also turn quickly for a big kite. See if there's a 14m you can demo somewhere and you can still pick up 09 Bandit 2's for around $6-700. Steve.
catalaussie
catalaussie
128 posts
128 posts
11 Mar 2011 3:53pm
Have a look at 2011 Griffin Argo 17m threat:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/2011-Griffin-Argo-17m-beating-lightwind-limits/

New 17m Argo desing is specially improved for lightwind. It seems to be fast even being a big kite.

It would be a good quality/price option. Test it if you have the opportunity.
stuntnaz
stuntnaz
NSW
540 posts
NSW, 540 posts
14 Mar 2011 7:01pm
I am 70kgs and use a 2004 cab 14m in 8 to 14 knots any stronger than that i stop seems to keep me going though .
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
14 Mar 2011 9:08pm
Im certainly no expert, far from it, still a noob in my 1st season
But i do weigh about the same as you (105kg) and currently only have a 1 kite quiver, that being a 2011 12m switchy. On Saturday just gone I demo'd two light wind kites, back to back, both 2011 models....a 17m Ozone Zephyr, and 17m Best Taboo. It was sub 15knots, 13-15 range im guessing. Both kites got me going on my Slingshot SX (143cm) however there were times during the lulls where I had to sine both kites a little to keep powered. A dedicated light wind board would of no doubt helped, but i wanted to test both kites using my regular board. I could be wrong but doubt a 14m would be big enough for the range you are talking about, and think a 17m is the way to go. Im now just waiting to test out the new 17m Argo, and maybe the Core, however the top end of the Core max's out pretty quickly and wont give me any overlap with my 12m, so probably not an option for me.

Hope this helps
SpawnofFossl
SpawnofFossl
SA
116 posts
SA, 116 posts
15 Mar 2011 4:32pm
Thanks for all the replies everyone.

I know what you mean by unpredictable wind at pazza godfather and I am patient but trying to maximise time on the water before winter kicks in :)

My board is already a 144cm so I don't know whether I would need any larger than that.

Might test run your 14m one day and see how I go on it when I am a bit more confident going upwind.

Let us know how you go Hopey :) Would be interesting to hear a noobies view on a 17m that doesn't include how you can get fully sick air and totally awesome hang time duuude A lot of hype over the Core and Argo so i'd love to hear your view on it in regards to relaunch, ease of use and stability as well as how much you had to work the 17m in comparison to the 14m. Cheers all.
loverboy
loverboy
WA
614 posts
WA, 614 posts
15 Mar 2011 2:19pm
hey Spawn....if you want to borrow the best light wind board going around for a weekend give me a call, Scott has my number....
sbray
sbray
SA
350 posts
SA, 350 posts
17 Mar 2011 12:42pm
I searched seabreeze for info regarding line lengths and the effect on widening your kite's wind range and came up with this:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/Wind-condition-vs-line-length/?SearchTerms=extensions

I have zero experience experimenting with line lengths.

This may offer a cheaper remedy than buying a large, 2nd kite, for trying light wind.

Coupled with a good light wind board, this might just be the ticket to allow you to try light winds enough to see if you really enjoy it.

I did note that long line lengths could reduce the up wind ability of the kite

Cheers
Fossil
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