Loading a stiff flattish board - How To ?

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prastis
prastis
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31 Aug 2015 7:36pm
Hello there, i am a current user of a crazyfly raptor pro 2013 which is carbon and has no significant rocker (flat) and I am trying to learn load and pop on it. Problem is most of the times I find myself in choppy conditions which are not ideal since its hard to get the timing of the loading properly since the waves and everything throws you out of balance constantly. Sometimes as soon as I try to edge hard i find the front tip diving into a chop and I think this doesn't help me get pulled properly.

In theory these kind of boards have a very good pop in flat water if they are loaded properly and hard. Any tips on how you do that? When they say loaded hard it means the edge needs to be quicker and with a higher angle? Do I have to hold the edge more?

I have read somewhere the edge needs to be in a J shape, where this dictates that its sudden and with a high angle. Is there a possibility with such a sudden edge you "kill" the kite and instead of pulling you it looses whole momentum and thus the edge angle needs to be smoother?

Edit: i have read that boards with higher rocker they tend to give easier but weaker pop than boards with lower rocker that are harder to pop on but if u do it properly they tend to send you higher. is that true?

Thanks for the help
George
skywalker3d
skywalker3d
VIC
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VIC, 228 posts
1 Sep 2015 8:47am
Maybe lean back more squat down more push hard on the back leg then explode of the water when kite is at 12. The faster you can do all this the better the results will be. Choppy water on a flat board is never going to be easy but can be done.
RideLikeAGirl
RideLikeAGirl
VIC
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VIC, 42 posts
1 Sep 2015 1:34pm
Curious, if your front tip is getting hit by chop maybe you're not edging hard enough? Also try look for a flat spot to load, or just give up and time your jump to use the chop as a kicker. It is all about timing and that comes down to practice (boring reply I know).

Also, if your loosing power in the kite your timing is off, try popping earlier? Sure the experts on here will have some awesome advice, there's also some earlier threads that might be handy?
cauncy
cauncy
WA
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WA, 8407 posts
1 Sep 2015 12:20pm
Bits of waves and whitewash are your friends for learning to pop and polishing your technique, a decent amount of pull from your kite is the main ingredient , where that kite is pulling from is another, backfoot pressure and some edge ,working the nose of the board upwind then release, little pops then can be made more aggressive, a little stamp on your backfoot just as you release adds height, more aggressive body movement and more power and pull add to the movement, progression DVD or youtube slows it down in stages for you to take in and practice
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
1 Sep 2015 12:43pm
Yep. As others have said. Look for the smooth section then load and pop. aim for a wave lip for extra height.
But jumping is chop is so much worse than jumping on flat or flat to ramp as the case is between waves. You simply can't get the speed up thats required for boosting high. Even boards real good at chop still have trouble.
Really as Cauncy states. Go our stupidly powered. Then you can use little bits of chop at slow speed to boost high...
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
1 Sep 2015 2:54pm
skywalker3d said..
Maybe lean back more squat down more push hard on the back leg then explode of the water when kite is at 12. The faster you can do all this the better the results will be. Choppy water on a flat board is never going to be easy but can be done.


the kite shall be between 10:30 and 12 correct? shall i be sheeted in while doing the move or if i sheet in the move will be considered as a sent jump? and I think you are correct I shall squad down more and push hard more cause when you see pro videos, its like as soon as they edge the whole board becomes vertical to the water which I guess requires extreme edging and stomping.

RideLikeAGirl said..
Curious, if your front tip is getting hit by chop maybe you're not edging hard enough? Also try look for a flat spot to load, or just give up and time your jump to use the chop as a kicker. It is all about timing and that comes down to practice (boring reply I know).

Also, if your loosing power in the kite your timing is off, try popping earlier? Sure the experts on here will have some awesome advice, there's also some earlier threads that might be handy?


it seems that i have to create an angle of 90 degrees to the previous travelling angle, the angle while I move downwind. thats the most part I have understood from what I have read in several forums and videos. is as skywalker has said I guess I need to do it more powered and really stomp. Another thing I have to improve is looking over my shoulder which really helps in edging accordingly to move in that direction.
cauncy said..
Bits of waves and whitewash are your friends for learning to pop and polishing your technique, a decent amount of pull from your kite is the main ingredient , where that kite is pulling from is another, backfoot pressure and some edge ,working the nose of the board upwind then release, little pops then can be made more aggressive, a little stamp on your backfoot just as you release adds height, more aggressive body movement and more power and pull add to the movement, progression DVD or youtube slows it down in stages for you to take in and practice



one basic mistake I do which has to do with the kite as soon as as i try to edge fast, i kinda loose control of the kite and i tend to throw it further to 9:30 or 2:30 respectively which doesnt let me get pulled appropriately. thing is as soon as I try to edge automatically my one hand leaves the bar (if I remember well the front hand) and as a result I dont control the kite properly.


VRBones
VRBones
130 posts
130 posts
2 Sep 2015 6:49am
the kite shall be between 10:30 and 12 correct? shall i be sheeted in while doing the move or if i sheet in the move will be considered as a sent jump?

For a load and pop the kite remains stable. A sent jump is when you are moving the kite up to provide lift from the kite as well. You can have the kite stable anywhere in front of you, but starting with it higher is a little easier to begin.

You can sheet in hard right at the end of your load up. What you are trying to do is get as much tension in your lines as fast as possible, then use that power to pop you up off the water.

it seems that i have to create an angle of 90 degrees to the previous travelling angle, the angle while I move downwind. thats the most part I have understood from what I have read in several forums and videos. is as skywalker has said I guess I need to do it more powered and really stomp.

Don't worry too much about the angle of the board, just think "I need to get those lines tight by heading hard upwind away from the kite". This needs to be super quick otherwise you will just let the kite bleed wind and eventually stop. The faster you go and the more aggressive your change of direction, the greater the amount of power you can generate. The more power the easier it is to pop off the water and easier to learn as you can see bigger differences in your technique.

You can think of the pop as a sudden release of that power. Imagine you are in a tug-of-war with a friend and you suddenly stand upright. You'll get pulled forward hard! That's what you're trying to do in the pop. When you feel you have built up the most power, go with it and let the kite pull you off the water. Once you're confident enough, jump at the same time to go higher. If you time your jump to be right when you're leaving the water and right when you are at your most upright, you will FLY!

one basic mistake I do which has to do with the kite as soon as as i try to edge fast, i kinda loose control of the kite and i tend to throw it further to 9:30 or 2:30 respectively which doesnt let me get pulled appropriately. thing is as soon as I try to edge automatically my one hand leaves the bar (if I remember well the front hand) and as a result I dont control the kite properly.

Yeah you need to work on that as a priority. Knowing where your kite is at all times keeps you safe and allows you to see differences in other parts of your technique.
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
2 Sep 2015 2:20pm
thank you VRBones for your reply. what you are saying is clear and I will try to make the most of it next time I am in the water (hopefully soon! :D). any specific ideas for a stiff flatish board? is there a specific way these boards need to be loaded or its just the whole procedure you guys have explained needs to be perfected in a sense and thus they say that it shall be loaded harder?

thanks
george
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