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glasstraxx
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18 Aug 2014 11:40am
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?
bigtone667
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18 Aug 2014 2:25pm
glasstraxx said..
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?


I need to come and study under you ... one year down and I can do none of the above. I can go heal-side or toeside both ways, gybe, shoot myself into the air and land it, but that's about it.
glasstraxx
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18 Aug 2014 12:49pm
bigtone667 said..
glasstraxx said..
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?


I need to come and study under you ... one year down and I can do none of the above. I can go heal-side or toeside both ways, gybe, shoot myself into the air and land it, but that's about it.


nice! its all about practise i find...i recon ive been out average 3 days a week. constant trial & error! and just commitment

so any tips on my first attempt of suicide!!
kitcho207
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18 Aug 2014 3:43pm
glasstraxx said..

bigtone667 said..

glasstraxx said..
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?



I need to come and study under you ... one year down and I can do none of the above. I can go heal-side or toeside both ways, gybe, shoot myself into the air and land it, but that's about it.



nice! its all about practise i find...i recon ive been out average 3 days a week. constant trial & error! and just commitment

so any tips on my first attempt of suicide!!


an enjoyable first kiteloop is all about the commitment and kite type. some kites are lots of fun to loop...others not so much and hurt

what kites do you use? the 8m is the go to start
ActionSportsWA
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18 Aug 2014 3:00pm
Hey Glasstraxx,

Sounds like you are progressing nicely. Kite looping is actually not that difficult and can be learned easily without pain for the most part. As with all tricks, the level of extreme can be dialed up or down with conditions and equipment.

Firstly, a kite loop requires little skill, more courage is what's needed. You can learn basic loops in light winds on transitions and step it up to get more altitude in a normal jump as you get more comfortable. By downlooping you already have a feel for the additional power which comes from a downward turned kite as opposed to an upward turned kite, that's good and will all help.

The severity of the loop is determined by the angle of the kite when you "pull the trigger". If the kite is well over head, the loop will be more above your head than downwind. This is usually initiated by pulling the trigger late in the jump as the kite has traveled to 12 o'clock or even upwind of you mid way through the jump. To execute this loop, simply sheet in and crank the kite hard. The secret is commitment, don't pull out half way. Just allow the kite to loop all the way around and you should land sort of softly, with a bit of speed downwind.

By pulling the trigger lower in the window or earlier in the jump, the kite will be positioned further back in the wind window. When you loop the kite, during the downward circle of the kite, it will come much lower to the water meaning the whole turn of the kite will be deeper in the wind window which will increase the downwind speed of your landing and also lessen the softness of the landing (unless you are going really high).

Interestingly, the more powered up and larger loops are actually usually a softer landing, albeit, much faster.

Size of kite makes a difference. I don't like looping anything much larger than a 10m . The speed is too slow and the radius of the loop tends to be too large which results in some really heavy landings. A smaller kite in more powered up conditions tends to be easier and more dramatic, but don't learn on these. Start on your 10m and work your way up in terms of wind speed, and down in terms of kite size. As you get more comfortable, start looping the kite earlier in the jump and lower in the wind window.

Different kites loop differently, some provide nail biting, "sh1t your pants" type loops, like Vegas, Fuel, Razor and Best GP and many other "pure C" kites. Some kites don't pull at all as they pivot on their inside wingtip and have no airflow over their leading edge. This can be sorted a little by not looping them too tight, but realistically speaking, a "C" hybrid is a better option if you want to loop and do more than just freestyle.

Look for large squared wingtips, not too much swept back leading edges, and a more "C" or "n" shaped canopies. Any kite can be looped, but claiming loops on say an Ozone Reo as opposed to a C4 will result in much heckling.

Above all else, enjoy the progression and don't learn kiteloops in really windy conditions. Work up to it with a "steady as she goes" approach and avoid injury. Kiteloops have been the cause of more cracked ribs and blown knees in kiteboarding than almost anything else. An impact vest is a good investment.

Have fun!

DM
glasstraxx
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18 Aug 2014 3:02pm
kitcho207 said..

an enjoyable first kiteloop is all about the commitment and kite type. some kites are lots of fun to loop...others not so much and hurt

what kites do you use? the 8m is the go to start


Hi Kitcho207, im currently riding an 8m Naish Park (2012) & a 10m Niash Park (2014)

I guess, i will just give it a go, send kite up then pull hard with my backhand and pull bar in when i am at the top of my jump and try to get the board pointing straight downwind when i land.

edit: great post Action sports WA, thanks
kitcho207
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18 Aug 2014 9:28pm
Yep great info from ASWA
when you first start looping i dont really think it matters too much what size you use...
as long as its in the lower wind range of the kite.
when your starting to loop you pull the trigger at the top(or just after) of the jump, so its not too radical but still a rush.
most of our crowd started looping with 11m to 17m.
the kite makes all the difference. not sure how the park feels but should be ok
the first ride on my C4 i just felt the confidence to loop it. the epic judge was like that too.
now have gone to RPM's and do casual loops with the 14m but the 9m is much more fun.
kitebt
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19 Aug 2014 4:50am
glasstraxx said..
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?


You should stop B'sing yourself and everyone else that would be my first tip. However, perhaps a suicide mission would do you the world of good.
Rails
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19 Aug 2014 7:05am
the newbies are getting quite advanced
just pull the trigger
and sheet out once the kite comes around otherwise it tends to stall a bit and you fall out of the sky
ouch

glasstraxx
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19 Aug 2014 9:28am
kitebt said..

You should stop B'sing yourself and everyone else that would be my first tip. However, perhaps a suicide mission would do you the world of good.


Crap KiteBT your right! i forgot out staying up wind :)

Dont worry i had 2 weeks of walk of shame and kitemares just like everyone else ;)

I'll have to dedicate a small vid to you !
Lambie
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19 Aug 2014 2:13pm
Here's a good read to get you going - start off getting the basics then boost to the next level !!!

www.thekiteboarder.com/2010/07/take-it-to-the-next-level-an-introduction-to-kite-loops/

WARNING - the Pop Cherry add may well distract you from reading the article!!! (I assume it will come up when you click on the link )
kemp90
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19 Aug 2014 2:22pm
glasstraxx said..

kitebt said..

You should stop B'sing yourself and everyone else that would be my first tip. However, perhaps a suicide mission would do you the world of good.



Crap KiteBT your right! i forgot out staying up wind :)

Dont worry i had 2 weeks of walk of shame and kitemares just like everyone else ;)

I'll have to dedicate a small vid to you !


is this guy for real!! what a wanker!

I think your progression is really good, but not enough to make doosh hate you lol.
glasstraxx
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19 Aug 2014 12:36pm
kemp90 said..


is this guy for real!! what a wanker!

I think your progression is really good, but not enough to make doosh hate you lol.


it was meant in good humour

banter is hard over the internet lol

edit:great article Lambie - will try down-loop jump transitions first!
kemp90
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19 Aug 2014 5:18pm
glasstraxx said..

kemp90 said..


is this guy for real!! what a wanker!

I think your progression is really good, but not enough to make doosh hate you lol.



it was meant in good humour

banter is hard over the internet lol

edit:great article Lambie - will try down-loop jump transitions first!


if it was meant in good humour :).
im in the same boat. want to start looping but there arnt anybody doing boosty loops that I can learn from. can do dark slides and hand plants but only tried big loops once, fully committed power slam head first into the ocean. haven't tried since!!
glasstraxx
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19 Aug 2014 8:23pm
kemp90 said..

if it was meant in good humour :).
im in the same boat. want to start looping but there arnt anybody doing boosty loops that I can learn from. can do dark slides and hand plants but only tried big loops once, fully committed power slam head first into the ocean. haven't tried since!!




bit like this?? haha that happened 6months ago just after i bought my 8m.... too much pull on the back arm during a jump and sent the kite into a loop ,,,, really hurt!!!

kitebt
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20 Aug 2014 3:10am
I hope you jumping has improved since you took that video....I would not try looping with that crap jumping technique...maybe you want to go back to learning how to load and pop. :)
kemp90
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20 Aug 2014 9:24am
glasstraxx said..

kemp90 said..

if it was meant in good humour :).
im in the same boat. want to start looping but there arnt anybody doing boosty loops that I can learn from. can do dark slides and hand plants but only tried big loops once, fully committed power slam head first into the ocean. haven't tried since!!





bit like this?? haha that happened 6months ago just after i bought my 8m.... too much pull on the back arm during a jump and sent the kite into a loop ,,,, really hurt!!!


yeh man pretty much, lol
glasstraxx
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20 Aug 2014 9:07am
kitebt said...
I hope you jumping has improved since you took that video....I would not try looping with that crap jumping technique...maybe you want to go back to learning how to load and pop. :)


Haha...yeh that's why im scared haha.... Had only kited for bout 3months at that stage and I was going to and from vector to the park......lots of bad injuries!

Definately should stick to the same kite brand when starting out!!!

angryphill
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20 Aug 2014 7:48pm
kitebt said..

glasstraxx said..
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?



You should stop B'sing yourself and everyone else that would be my first tip. However, perhaps a suicide mission would do you the world of good.


Lol sound abit jealous there mate. This progression is quite possible. Me and my bro have only been kiting for 13 months and other then the board offs these tricks arent that difficult if you just try them over and over. No guts, no glory.
Loftywinds
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21 Aug 2014 11:43pm
glasstraxx said..

kemp90 said..

if it was meant in good humour :).
im in the same boat. want to start looping but there arnt anybody doing boosty loops that I can learn from. can do dark slides and hand plants but only tried big loops once, fully committed power slam head first into the ocean. haven't tried since!!





bit like this?? haha that happened 6months ago just after i bought my 8m.... too much pull on the back arm during a jump and sent the kite into a loop ,,,, really hurt!!!


Mate that video is sweet assss!!! I loved it that you laughed and smiled it off, and got yanked at the end. Classic!
GarryA
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24 Aug 2014 12:47pm
glasstraxx said..
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?


Close ur eyes ....
Spitfire
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26 Aug 2014 10:44pm
glasstraxx said..

kemp90 said..


is this guy for real!! what a wanker!

I think your progression is really good, but not enough to make doosh hate you lol.


it was meant in good humourbanter is hard over the internet lol
edit:great article Lambie - will try down-loop jump transitions first!



You said you could allready do looping transitions! Caught ya!!!
kitcho207
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27 Aug 2014 10:06am
So have you been looping since the start of this thread?
Any progress?

glasstraxx
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28 Aug 2014 9:31pm
glasstraxx said...
So with my first year kiting nearly completed I have managed to learn how to double back-roll, front roll, board offs, various transitions and downloop turns.

I think I want to focus on kite looping at the start of the next season.

Are there any tips anyone is willing to share?

Is it a good idea to start off with an 8m in 20knots so I am a little underpowered and the kite moves faster? Or should is it all or nothing with the 10m?



Down loop turns mate.... !
Yeh looking back it's a bit misleading ... Just downing a carving toeside turn with a downloop...


Havnt started yet due to lack of any wind... Don't wanna risk trying it with the zephyr .... Just yet .... Haha


Go pro armed and ready for when it starts blowing!!!
kitcho207
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29 Aug 2014 9:51am
cool. keep us posted. and video footage is always good either way
pattiecannon
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31 Aug 2014 6:42am
man, don't worry about kite size. Like kitcho said just wait till the wind is low for your kite size, this usually happens at dusk so there's plenty of time to practice.
The first one I landed was on a 16m epic infinity in 10kts. I was too scared to try them on 9m days, I still burr up a bit for fully lit daze...

Heaps of our crew started skiing on the sand at the end of the sesh in the lighter breeze. you can do a spin under your kite to simulate a front or back roll then loop your kite and go for a ski. The more you get used to it you can start to loop the kite a bit sooner than the end of your spin, and then before you know it, you're doing spin and loop at the nearly the same time. Spin always comes a little bit sooner for me and it's a good idea to keep an eye on your kite.
My first loops were after backroll transitions & I still find them easier than for non transitions, they feel real floaty and weightless which is totally sick. The fronties are the same deal but with more movement. I use a downloop on these ones. I'm gun shy on backloops for fronties after a proper slapping from 10' after I was just not getting them high enough one day. Though I've seen a m8 do them like he's reading the newspaper. . . . but he's doin' flatties, yawn lol

It's easy to remember, the way I do 'em is, Backroll, pull back hand, Frontroll, pull front hand Easyyyyyy!
What happens next is you forget how to do a roll without looping... more slaps queued from the ensuing confusion and for your buddy's mirth's
So just freaking tear it up dude, you're killing it for a single years work too. Watch out Dimitri!

BTW how do you do a darkslide or a hand plant without a loop? You must have some proper lit days over there.
kitcho207
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31 Aug 2014 7:20pm
Hey pattie. Funny that... backroll kiteloop was the first one i felt confident doing too. They hurt a bit if you loop too soon through the rotation.
Just started trying sarkslides yesterday but without a loop. Got some new bindings it worked out quite well. Next time will be with the loop cos the slide is fine but without the loop you run out of puff at the end of the manoeuvre
pattiecannon
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1 Sep 2014 3:18pm
thanks kitcho, I haven't been hurt too bad on the backie loop transish as I'm getting really good at landing on the sand nowadays.
r u gonna back loop or front loop for the sarkslide and are you gonna transish it or stay on course? cheers
kitcho207
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1 Sep 2014 4:33pm
pattiecannon said..
thanks kitcho, I haven't been hurt too bad on the backie loop transish as I'm getting really good at landing on the sand nowadays.
r u gonna back loop or front loop for the sarkslide and are you gonna transish it or stay on course? cheers


when I first started i was hitting the water with the back of my head because i looped too early. would have been heaps funny to watch. better at it now tho.

I will be trying pulling the back hand to get the extra lift n speed out of the slide. the ones i have completed so far i was going straight down wind at the end, so i dont think it would matter if it went into transition or keep riding same direction. could be wrong. i guess ill just do what feels natural at the time.
EastCC
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1 Sep 2014 8:36pm
pattiecannon said...
thanks kitcho, I haven't been hurt too bad on the backie loop transish as I'm getting really good at landing on the sand nowadays.
r u gonna back loop or front loop for the sarkslide and are you gonna transish it or stay on course? cheers


If you're landing on the sand you might need to start a little bit deeper pattie
glasstraxx
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2 Sep 2014 10:52pm
Hopefully enough wind over here in the west to give it a go this weekend! ****tin it!!!
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