Making upwind ground

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clume
clume
QLD
6 posts
QLD, 6 posts
24 Mar 2013 11:44am
Hey guys ,
Just wondering if anyone could shed some light on a few nifty tricks & pointers on how to make ground coming back upwind ..
I can get back to where i toke off from each time but find it hard to actually even be a few meters infront of where i just was not 30 secs ago.
So no matter how hard i edge or point the nose of the board it still comes back to the same place , its a boomerang!
i have watched the video below to try & get a better understanding but certainly welcome a more experienced riders point of view
Thanks



Neddero
Neddero
NSW
74 posts
NSW, 74 posts
24 Mar 2013 2:39pm
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Edging-tips/

The whole 'dick to the sky' things is not bs... Give it a try if you're not doing it, along with really looking upwind over your front shoulder which should turn your shoulders and position your whole body pretty well for going upwind.

My stance changes a bit when I'm overpowered, I normally sit down more towards the water and bend my back leg and then dig in the tail to wash speed and move the kite to the edge of the window.

Also, be aware that you will loose a bit of ground each tack, so if you are making short tacks and coming back to the same spot, try making slightly longer tacks.

This is what works for me.

The Progression videos have a pretty good section on this, either pickup the DVD, or if you have an iPad you can download it through their app.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
24 Mar 2013 11:58am
natural stance comes in to play, youll get someone who doesnt really try gain ground better than someone thats doing most things correct, speed of travel you need to be comfortable trim your kite to suit, fix yourself on a target onshore, turn your shoulder hips and head in the direction,put your backfoot slightly out ie closer to shore, curl up your toes , and park your kite lower approx 10 to 10.30 or 2 to 2.30 depending on direction of travel if confident enough take a hand off the bar and try and touch the water this automatically brings some of the above positions into play, some kites and boards go upwind better than others so that may be a slight factor, keep at it, if you are doing the beach walk replicate your body and kite position whilst walking this will also aid you .
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
24 Mar 2013 6:53pm
All that turn your shoulders and stance and point your hips stuff is completely irrelevant to going upwind. It all contributes to developing a better and more efficient style but none of it will get you upwind.

The reason you are not making ground upwind is that you are stalling the board and partially stalling the kite. As a newbie you just don't have the feel or experience to know when everything is working properly.

To go upwind:
- start with the board in a neutral trim, say about 20 degrees from flat and pointing across the wind, maybe slightly downwind.
- have your body distributed about 60% on the front foot and 40% on the back foot.
- push the bar out about 20-30cm and start riding.
- do shallow turns so that the kite stays mostly in the power zone.
- feel the power of the kite through the chicken loop into your hips, not through your arms. The bar is for controlling the kite. The chicken loop is the power transfer mechanism.

- As you ride feel the power of the kite. If there is plenty of power then ease the bar in and edge upwind. Use the whole edge. Do not stomp the tail in. That will just stall the board.
- As you cut upwind be sensitive to over sheeting the kite and over edging the board. Ease off the edge and push out the bar and keep the kite moving in the window.

- When you come off the back of chop or a wave then edge a little harder and use the wave to cut upwind.
cutch
cutch
WA
67 posts
WA, 67 posts
25 Mar 2013 9:13am
If you're making it back to where you started you are already starting to ride upwind. You may be losing ground at your transitions. Try focusing on doing quick sliding turns & not plonking in the water.
Yes
Yes
SA
5 posts
Yes Yes
SA, 5 posts
25 Mar 2013 9:15pm
I think this is very helpful, especially Gorgo's comment. I am experiencing exactly the same problem, when the wind is at the low range of my kite. But I also have completely opposite problem, when the wind picks up. I go too much upwind and if I want to come back where I started I have to zigzag downwind. I've seen other guys going downwind without zigzagging, just strait down, along with the wind. Looks so easy, but I can't make it. Would really appreciate it, if someone can sort me out.
BlackPanth3r
BlackPanth3r
WA
21 posts
WA, 21 posts
25 Mar 2013 8:54pm
here's a few tips:

1. work on your stance. arse in, not arse out (aka ****ting stance). breaking at the waist will reduce power. keep your shoulders back, make sure your not reaching out to your control bar thus bringing your shoulders forward, adjust the trim settings therefor bringing the control bar closer to your body. shoulders back will also help you keep your arse in.
2. look up wind. turn your head, and try aiming your shoulders and hips upwind in the general direction you want to travel.
3. if the wind is strong, keep the kite low, this helps retain your edge and not skip out and lose ground. conversely, if the wind is lighter keep the kite a little higher to keep you up on your board and use small changes in direction and edging to find the sweet spot to get you going upwind.
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