Naish Charger Newbie

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Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
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15 Mar 2011 9:28am
Hey Guys,

Recently purchased a Naish Charger 9m 2010, and am wondering if anyone with any experience with this kite could tell me what the minimum wind speed is that I can use to practice my kite skills in (fly it)? I'm absolutely stinging to get out and practice but the wind around my area has been utter garbage for the past 2-3 weeks.....!
bm
bm
VIC
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bm bm
VIC, 80 posts
15 Mar 2011 1:04pm
10 knots ish. Depower right out. This is prac. in light winds & in a safe area I.E nothing but soft sand down wind. The Charger is stable & has great relaunch. For riding you will need 15 knot + consistant at least, if over 75Kg probably more.
bm
bm
VIC
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bm bm
VIC, 80 posts
15 Mar 2011 1:09pm
Also pump it hard (8psi) especially in light winds.
Green Cherub
Green Cherub
WA
296 posts
WA, 296 posts
15 Mar 2011 10:19am
bm said...

Also pump it hard (8psi) especially in light winds.


off topic but does this mean in lighter winds you dont pump a kite up as hard?
Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
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QLD, 24 posts
15 Mar 2011 12:36pm
i think bm means pump it really hard for light winds. thats the way i read it anyway.......
Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
15 Mar 2011 1:08pm
Also, how much wind would I need to self launch it? Would like to practice this as I will not have someone with me all the time and usually zero kiters around.......
radman4
radman4
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678 posts
15 Mar 2011 6:45pm
Skyrapist said...

Also, how much wind would I need to self launch it? Would like to practice this as I will not have someone with me all the time and usually zero kiters around.......


Charger relaunches easy as in 10 knots ,i was using them in the kiteschool last year ,nice stable kite, a bit soft for a delta style bow though,so you need a bit of wind to get riding but they keep going well up top.
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
15 Mar 2011 8:55pm
Hi Skyrapist, I had a 9m Charger last season....i think you need around 12 knots to self launch a Charger (you need to walk towards them to get them on their back), if its too light try a reverse launch. Especially in light wind make sure you keep your stopper ball pulled in slightly (the 2011 Naish bar has a fixed ball fitted ) to stop the kite from being over depowered to a point that can cause a Hindenburg.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
15 Mar 2011 10:07pm
Don't necessarily need depower (really a trim adjuster) right out. It's easier to oversheet a kite in light winds and make it stall.

You need to trim it correctly so that oversheeting that causes the stall is not possible. Sometimes this may involve cleating it off a fair way.

Your instructor should have taught you how to correctly trim a kite.

bm
bm
VIC
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bm bm
VIC, 80 posts
16 Mar 2011 9:12am
Bigwavedave can provide a bit more of your wisdom regarding trimming a kite correctly please.
Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
16 Mar 2011 9:41am
My instructor did not teach me trimming of the kite..... I dont
think im gonna bother going back to this guy I dont think i got my moneys worth with my first lesson. It was pretty much - heres a kite hold it in the air and move it around a bit and setup of the lines, which i already knew how to do, and ducks of to chat with his missus about setting up her kite. He's one of Moti Levi's guys, to be honest i was not that impressed.......
Is there any top notch instructors on the gold coast (southern goldy)?

Cheers.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
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QLD, 2057 posts
16 Mar 2011 6:24pm
bm said...

Bigwavedave can provide a bit more of your wisdom regarding trimming a kite correctly please.


Your kite should be trimmed (by using the 'depower' adjustment) so that oversheeting the kite is not possible.

Oversheeting is evident when the kite stalls (flies backwards) especially at the window's edge.

Many people think that making this adjustment is depowering your kite, when, in fact, all you are changing is the distance from the chicken loop of maximum power. (It is not until you pull in the depower more than this setting that you are actually depowering the kite.)

Easiest way is to park the kite at 45 degrees and pull the bar all the way in. If the kite stalls (and it is likely to in light winds) adjust the 'depower' until it stops stalling.

This is a good way to trim most brands of kite. Mat Pendle (wipika, takoon and GK designer) had this method on a video somewhere and I teach it to all my students along with an explanation of WHY it is necessary.

However, a large percentage of experienced kiters still don't quite understand trimming and ride without adjusting it.

Trimming correctly places your bar at a comfortable distance and usually corrects bad stance habits like poo stance.

I hope this helps.
bm
bm
VIC
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bm bm
VIC, 80 posts
17 Mar 2011 8:32am
Thanks for that Dave
Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
29 Mar 2011 1:40pm
So, had another lesson on Saturday (with my kite and a better instructor..) and am begging to understand what you are talking about and it makes perfect sense if you can understand how the kite works. Went for a practice on Sunday in 15-20knts and very gusty conditions at the beach (kingscliff), kite was dropping out of the air at about 45° at the edge of the window on my left and was a little bit unresponsive. I'm guessing this was due to me being a newb.... Im thinking i probably wasnt turning the bar back enough combined with maybe choking the kite a bit, could be a little bit due to line setup and trimming but mainly me. As it didnt happen on my right side as much.
Did see some guys out that ripped! I was a bit jelous.....

Cheers guys,
bm
bm
VIC
80 posts
bm bm
VIC, 80 posts
30 Mar 2011 9:36am
Gusty conditions are something to avoid obviously, especially when getting used to your kite. It is important to understand why it is gusty I.E wind coming from part or fully offshore, cliffs or anything that disrupts the windflow & causes turbulance or just unstable weather. The guys ripping were probably out where there was cleaner wind.
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