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MBUGS
MBUGS
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2 Oct 2014 3:35pm
Hey there fellow kiters,

Just wanted to introduce myself to the site. I'm surprised that i actually found a kite boarding forum that is somewhat active. Some of the other forums I've been to haven't had any recent activity since like 2008. I've recently just started getting into the idea of taking this sport up but am a little intimidated with taking the leap. I just bought myself a 3.5 meter trainer kite so i can get the basic functions of a kite down. Just FYI, im from Canada and live in Toronto. The season here right now is somewhat ending for kiteboarding therefore it looks like im going to have to wait until next summer to actually get some lessons. Just wondering, can kites used in water be used in snow? or are they totally different style kites? I ask this because i was thinking maybe i can learn snowkiting during the winter to help with the process of kiteboarding in the water. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

MBUGS
ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1007 posts
WA, 1007 posts
2 Oct 2014 5:04pm
MBUGS said..
Hey there fellow kiters,

Just wanted to introduce myself to the site. I'm surprised that i actually found a kite boarding forum that is somewhat active. Some of the other forums I've been to haven't had any recent activity since like 2008. I've recently just started getting into the idea of taking this sport up but am a little intimidated with taking the leap. I just bought myself a 3.5 meter trainer kite so i can get the basic functions of a kite down. Just FYI, im from Canada and live in Toronto. The season here right now is somewhat ending for kiteboarding therefore it looks like im going to have to wait until next summer to actually get some lessons. Just wondering, can kites used in water be used in snow? or are they totally different style kites? I ask this because i was thinking maybe i can learn snowkiting during the winter to help with the process of kiteboarding in the water. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

MBUGS


Hey MBUGS,

Welcome to "the breeze". Good call on the trainer kite. If you are going to hit the snow fields, that's also a good idea, but I wouldn't necessarily buy an inflatable kite for snow use for a couple of reasons.

1. Depending upon what you buy, fiddling around with inflation systems with bare hands is testing when it's really cold.
2. Inflatable kites are more easily damaged on the snow.
3. Foil kites are lighter and fly in much less wind than an inflatable kite.
4. Foil kites put out much more power than an equivalent sized inflatable, so you can use a smaller more agile kite.
5. Kiting on open snowy fields doesn't take huge power on a big foil so you can get going in very little wind making it safe and easy to learn the basics.
6. A foil kite will fit in a smaller backpack allowing you to use the kite to tow you up the hill/mountain on a snowboard or ski's. Then you can pack it down and put it in the back pack and board/ski down. No lift tickets.

A water kite will work fine in the snow, but there are so many benefits to foils in the snow, and coming from Canada, you guys get plenty of snow, so I'd go with a nice foil to start with, and get a water kite for the summer next year.

You may want to PM cbulota on this site as he has extensive snow kiting experience. He's also an instructor for us.

Hope this helps,

DM
CodeRed
CodeRed
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
2 Oct 2014 7:30pm
^^^^^^^^ what he said & Call Ocean Rodeo Kites.
They are a Canadian company and make awesome kites inexpensively.
MBUGS
MBUGS
7 posts
7 posts
2 Oct 2014 8:17pm
ActionSportsWA said..

MBUGS said..
Hey there fellow kiters,

Just wanted to introduce myself to the site. I'm surprised that i actually found a kite boarding forum that is somewhat active. Some of the other forums I've been to haven't had any recent activity since like 2008. I've recently just started getting into the idea of taking this sport up but am a little intimidated with taking the leap. I just bought myself a 3.5 meter trainer kite so i can get the basic functions of a kite down. Just FYI, im from Canada and live in Toronto. The season here right now is somewhat ending for kiteboarding therefore it looks like im going to have to wait until next summer to actually get some lessons. Just wondering, can kites used in water be used in snow? or are they totally different style kites? I ask this because i was thinking maybe i can learn snowkiting during the winter to help with the process of kiteboarding in the water. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

MBUGS



Hey MBUGS,

Welcome to "the breeze". Good call on the trainer kite. If you are going to hit the snow fields, that's also a good idea, but I wouldn't necessarily buy an inflatable kite for snow use for a couple of reasons.

1. Depending upon what you buy, fiddling around with inflation systems with bare hands is testing when it's really cold.
2. Inflatable kites are more easily damaged on the snow.
3. Foil kites are lighter and fly in much less wind than an inflatable kite.
4. Foil kites put out much more power than an equivalent sized inflatable, so you can use a smaller more agile kite.
5. Kiting on open snowy fields doesn't take huge power on a big foil so you can get going in very little wind making it safe and easy to learn the basics.
6. A foil kite will fit in a smaller backpack allowing you to use the kite to tow you up the hill/mountain on a snowboard or ski's. Then you can pack it down and put it in the back pack and board/ski down. No lift tickets.

A water kite will work fine in the snow, but there are so many benefits to foils in the snow, and coming from Canada, you guys get plenty of snow, so I'd go with a nice foil to start with, and get a water kite for the summer next year.

You may want to PM cbulota on this site as he has extensive snow kiting experience. He's also an instructor for us.

Hope this helps,

DM


Thanks. Ill definitely contact him.
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
2 Oct 2014 10:32pm
Hi Marco

I hope you don't mind I answer you on here so that others can benefit from the info.

Darren gave you some great advice already. I must recommend you chase down some lessons (even if it's late in the season). Try to get a qualified and experienced instructor that can at least teach you some basics on the land (preferably someone who has landkiting/snowkiting experience). By getting a lesson you'll learn about the wind, kite setup, launching and landing, kite control, safety systems (very important) and also how to self-launch and self-land (essential if you plan to go out kiting on your own).

Don't underestimate the danger of the sport, even a 3.5 trainer kite (which is quite big for a trainer kite by the way) can get dangerous if you fly it above 18 knots or so. But yes light winds are pretty safe and fortunately you need a lot less power to get moving on the snow than you need on the water.

The frozen lakes are by far the easiest place to learn and generally safe unless you fall through the ice. Forget the mountains in Ontario you'll have too many trees in the way:) If you have a hard surface on the lake without much depth of snow you should be able to move around quite easily even with just your 3.5 trainer kite and a minimum of 10 knots of wind (preferably 15). If you need more power and have deeper snow you'll have to get a bigger kite.

Personally I use only inflatable kites in strong winds in the snow (when the wind is at least 15 knots). Anything below that and I'll only use foil kites. Foil kites are lighter and perform very well with very low wind. The biggest problem with inflatables kites in low wind is they stall easily (fall out of the sky) and can be a pain to relaunch in low wind.

On the other hand, you won't be able to use the foil kite on the water, unless you get a closed cell foil (Flysurfer, Ozone Chrono, etc.) but they are very expensive and I wouldn't recommend you learn with those anyhow. The easiest foil kite that I know of is the Ozone access. something like a 10m should get you going easily in anything above 5 knots but you'll start to get maxed out around 15-18 knots.

The big advantage with inflatable kites is that not only you can use them on the water and snow, but they have a much wider wind range than foil kites, almost as much as double. So say you get a 10m inflatable kite you'll be able to use it on the snow in higher winds, but as a beginner you won't be able to get much out of it under 10-12knots.

If the snow coverage is nice and even (not too ''chunky'' or icy) and you have no other obstacles you don't have to worry much about damaging the inflatable kite. The inflation/deflation systems can be a pain to operate in the snow, especially some more than other, especially when it gets very cold. I haven't experimented with that many brands on the snow so I wouldn't be able to make any specific recommendations, especially that these days, kite brands love to change their inflation system every year.

So it's a hard choice which kite to get...depends on your budget really, but if you're tight and you want to play safe stick to your trainer kite for the winter, then get lessons and an inflatable kite in the summer.

Oh yeah, go and get advice from some local kiters as well




sorry I had to post this!

Christian
MBUGS
MBUGS
7 posts
7 posts
3 Oct 2014 9:12am
cbulota said..
Hi Marco

I hope you don't mind I answer you on here so that others can benefit from the info.

Darren gave you some great advice already. I must recommend you chase down some lessons (even if it's late in the season). Try to get a qualified and experienced instructor that can at least teach you some basics on the land (preferably someone who has landkiting/snowkiting experience). By getting a lesson you'll learn about the wind, kite setup, launching and landing, kite control, safety systems (very important) and also how to self-launch and self-land (essential if you plan to go out kiting on your own).

Don't underestimate the danger of the sport, even a 3.5 trainer kite (which is quite big for a trainer kite by the way) can get dangerous if you fly it above 18 knots or so. But yes light winds are pretty safe and fortunately you need a lot less power to get moving on the snow than you need on the water.

The frozen lakes are by far the easiest place to learn and generally safe unless you fall through the ice. Forget the mountains in Ontario you'll have too many trees in the way:) If you have a hard surface on the lake without much depth of snow you should be able to move around quite easily even with just your 3.5 trainer kite and a minimum of 10 knots of wind (preferably 15). If you need more power and have deeper snow you'll have to get a bigger kite.

Personally I use only inflatable kites in strong winds in the snow (when the wind is at least 15 knots). Anything below that and I'll only use foil kites. Foil kites are lighter and perform very well with very low wind. The biggest problem with inflatables kites in low wind is they stall easily (fall out of the sky) and can be a pain to relaunch in low wind.

On the other hand, you won't be able to use the foil kite on the water, unless you get a closed cell foil (Flysurfer, Ozone Chrono, etc.) but they are very expensive and I wouldn't recommend you learn with those anyhow. The easiest foil kite that I know of is the Ozone access. something like a 10m should get you going easily in anything above 5 knots but you'll start to get maxed out around 15-18 knots.

The big advantage with inflatable kites is that not only you can use them on the water and snow, but they have a much wider wind range than foil kites, almost as much as double. So say you get a 10m inflatable kite you'll be able to use it on the snow in higher winds, but as a beginner you won't be able to get much out of it under 10-12knots.

If the snow coverage is nice and even (not too ''chunky'' or icy) and you have no other obstacles you don't have to worry much about damaging the inflatable kite. The inflation/deflation systems can be a pain to operate in the snow, especially some more than other, especially when it gets very cold. I haven't experimented with that many brands on the snow so I wouldn't be able to make any specific recommendations, especially that these days, kite brands love to change their inflation system every year.

So it's a hard choice which kite to get...depends on your budget really, but if you're tight and you want to play safe stick to your trainer kite for the winter, then get lessons and an inflatable kite in the summer.

Oh yeah, go and get advice from some local kiters as well




sorry I had to post this!

Christian


Awesome thanks. I'll give my trainer a go during the winter season and hopefully that will get me somewhat familiar and comfortable with controlling the kite. I finally got my trainer out today in a big field with some light wind and it definitely pulls you around good. I couldn't imagine what a full size kite could do. Anyways thanks for the reply and i'll definitely take everything you said into consideration.
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