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Locky24
Locky24
QLD
515 posts
QLD, 515 posts
5 Mar 2014 9:44pm
Hi All,
I am looking at getting into kitesurfing and was looking on some info before I jump in.
The main style of kiting I am keen on doing is down winding in the surf. ( I have surfed all my life, and want to do something when the wind picks up and turns onshore ) Nearly every day lately.

After reading some online stuff, seems like I have 2 safe options.

1 - Get lessons. ( could be pricey )??

2 - Get a trainer / power kite.

I am looking at the later option to try to learn the basics then some lessons may be just before I am ready to make a kite / gear purchase.

With out spending to much $$$ on a trainer, I have found a few Peter Lynn ( Vibe trainers ) online.
Was looking at either a 1.6m or a 1.9m - 2 line with a control bar.
Both of these would be between $120 and $150 AUD. (Don't really want to go much more than $150 as it is a trainer. and then I can put more $$$ into a kite later on.)

Looking at using one of these on quieter Queensland beaches ( sunny coast ) in wind ranging from 12 to 25 knot winds.

Am I on the right track with these choices??
Should I go for the 1.6m or the 1.9m or bigger??
Does anyone have any thoughts on Peter Lynn trainers?

Please any advice would be a big help.

Cheers Locky

blueprint
blueprint
WA
321 posts
WA, 321 posts
5 Mar 2014 8:54pm
Yep you are on the right track, the schools swear by the importance of trainers but I'm less than convinced myself unless you are restricted for time on the water or have some other limitation (immediately after lessons), it's something that you have to decide for yourself based on what other experience you have (stunt kite, sailing etc). There was another thread on here a while back that became a total bun fight but amongst all the personal attacks is some useful information (search trainer kites and it'll come up).

To be honest the difference in size between something 1.5 and 2 isn't really important what you are looking for from your trainer is to understand the wind window and how the kite feels in each part and recognise that by feel. In the thread I mentioned above steve (kitepower) posted a trainer kite vid, watch it you get the picture of what is going on and will help you decide for yourself if there is much value in them. I have several including an Ozone uno and the new Switch kites 1.5m prime trainer, $150 so in your price range (which makes an astounding amount of power compared to others I've flown) they are great fun and good to have around for friends etc. the UNo's good to give a sense of depower but I would't spend the extra money on it.

unless you want it for later just go for lessons and then see if you can hire a trainer off them to get practice on between lessons would be what I would do but
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
6 Mar 2014 11:57am
Hello there. Agree with Blueprint's comment about size doesn't matter (a point that I make often in my personal life :-( ). Any trainer kite will do.

I had a trainer kite for about 6m before doing my lessons (as I just wanted the kite with no aspirations of kiteboarding). This does not remove the need for official lessons, but it DOES mean when you do do your lessons, you can maximise your time on a big-boy's kite (or big-girl's kite) doing the really challenging things like water starts/body dragging.

You might be guided down a twin tip route, instead of surf for your lessons, or maybe that's just because I live near the bay and not the ocean. Eitehr way, you'll have a ball and your surf skills will expedite your progress.

Enjoy.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
6 Mar 2014 12:21pm
A couple of points. Most of the old crew who learned kiting at the start are self taught. There were no schools in those days. We were very afraid of our gear because it had the very real potential to kill us and other people. Modern gear is much much safer but the potential for disaster is still very real. Use your head and never lose that little bit of fear and listen to it when it tells you to stop.

Kitesurfing is 80% kite flying skill. When you get a trainer kite you will get bored with it in an hour or so and think you have learned all there is to know. You will be completely wrong. If you're bored with the trainer kite then work out new stuff to do with it to keep your interest up and to develop your skills. If you can't do that then you're screwed from the beginning. You need to be able to fly the kite without looking at it and without thinking about it. Pay particular attention to keeping the kite flying in light winds and when it is excessively depowered. Any cretin can fly a kite in smooth, strong winds. It takes skill to fly a kite in crap conditions.

I learned to kite on a 4m buggy kite (non-relaunchable parafoil). I actually kitesurfed with that kite on a 9' surfboard. When I got a proper kitesurf kite it was ridiculously easy to get up and get going.
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
6 Mar 2014 11:40am
Gorgo is 100% correct.

Any trainer kite will do as long as you can fly her and not get too frustrated with tangles (assuming those with handles). A trainer kite is really just that, to give you the basics of the wind window and basics of kite control. But again, I emphasise basics. To really learn kite surfing you need a real kite-surfing kite and be out there in the water.
Controling the kite is important and crucial at first but the real test is when you're doing water starts, balance, edging up wind, kite ettiquette with oncoming riders, waves, gusts, etc and all this at the same time as controlling a 10mt+ kite!
It's not like riding a bicycle as some say in kiting. It's more like riding two or three bicycles at once! There is a lot to consider.
BUT having said that eventually you "forget" about the kite and concentrate on your direction, edging, moves and later on jumps and tricks. The kite does the rest for you (sort of like driving a car - you don't look at the engine all the time, you just drive!).
Just one word of caution: do not kite in OFF SHORE winds. You could end up in the ocean and having to be rescued by lifeguards. Goes without saying actually.
Locky24
Locky24
QLD
515 posts
QLD, 515 posts
6 Mar 2014 10:14pm
Hi Guys,

Cheers thanks heaps for the advise. Glad to know I was kinder on the right track. I have started looking for trainers online.
I am willing to learn the basics and can be a patient person to pick up the skills I may need. So boredom after an hour or so of flying a trainer won't really be an issue.
If the sun is out and I am at the beach, Its all happy days.

Once again thanks for all of your comments.

Cheers Locky
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