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DaveDobbin
DaveDobbin
SA
31 posts
SA, 31 posts
13 Mar 2017 1:13pm
Hi guys, i'm a beginner, 90kg. This is my first season . having a great time now going upwind and transitioning while remaining on my feet. My question is "what will my next kite be?" I currently have an 11m 2017 switchblade and i'm not sure whether my next kite should be a 14 meter so that I can get more time in the low winds or should I go down to an 8 meter so that I can spend more time when the winds are up? Cant afford to do both so just after some of your opinions on which way to go. thanks??
timmybuddhadude
timmybuddhadude
WA
862 posts
WA, 862 posts
13 Mar 2017 11:16am
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KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
13 Mar 2017 11:18am
Hi Dave,

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think in SA you mostly get light/moderate winds and when it's strong/very strong it's most likely a front/storm ?

If that's the case then getting a small kite for storm kiting shouldn't be your priority atm.

14m and 11m is too close for a 90kg guy. You should go straight up to 17m this way you will cover a range of about 15 knots to 25 ish knots.

Having a small board makes a huge difference in how much power you can handle in high winds. Most beginners of your weight have massive boards which makes it difficult to progress in higher winds and choppy waters.

My advice is get a 17m kite and start shopping around for a cheap second hand small twin tip (i.e. 133-135cm) if you current twin tip is like 140cm or more.

Christian
DaveDobbin
DaveDobbin
SA
31 posts
SA, 31 posts
13 Mar 2017 10:23pm
Thanks Christian. Thats a well thought out response. I'll take that on board. Cheers
Jhana
Jhana
WA
122 posts
WA, 122 posts
13 Mar 2017 8:08pm
cbulota said..
Hi Dave,

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think in SA you mostly get light/moderate winds and when it's strong/very strong it's most likely a front/storm ?

If that's the case then getting a small kite for storm kiting shouldn't be your priority atm.

14m and 11m is too close for a 90kg guy. You should go straight up to 17m this way you will cover a range of about 15 knots to 25 ish knots.

Having a small board makes a huge difference in how much power you can handle in high winds. Most beginners of your weight have massive boards which makes it difficult to progress in higher winds and choppy waters.

My advice is get a 17m kite and start shopping around for a cheap second hand small twin tip (i.e. 133-135cm) if you current twin tip is like 140cm or more.

Christian


Christian,

What would you recommend for a 75kg rider with the same experience as Dave and the same winds who has a 146 x 44 board?

Thanks
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
14 Mar 2017 9:53am
Christian,

What would you recommend for a 75kg rider with the same experience as Dave and the same winds who has a 146 x 44 board?

Thanks


That's a MASSIVE board for someone your size. A board this big falls into the light wind category as in less than 15 knots.

The only advantage of such a big board (other than the light wind benefit) is when you're at the very early stages of learning to water start and ride. Once you can ride comfortably in both directions a board this big will slow your progress down in any winds stronger than 15 knots which are typically associated with choppy waters.

Your next board should be at least 10cm shorter, i.e around 132-136cm. Keep your big board for light days it'll come in handy.

At first you will find it difficult with a small board and that's simply due to poor technique and being used to easy starts with such a large board.

Big kites and big boards are always the easy solution for learners but in the long run they slow your progression down and, more importantly they encourage bad habits and poor technique, especially in higher winds.

Christian
VRBones
VRBones
130 posts
130 posts
14 Mar 2017 7:40pm
cbulota said..
Big kites and big boards are always the easy solution for learners but in the long run they slow your progression down and, more importantly they encourage bad habits and poor technique, especially in higher winds.


Could you expand on this a little?

My experience has been that going to a smaller (144 -> 139) board with more rocker made jumps easier to land and more easy to manhandle the board through maneuvers (giving me confidence to go harder), but my bigger board would go faster, requires greater control for turns / jump landings, and has a better feel for upwind performance (I can tell more easily if an extra 5 degrees upwind is sustainable). It's entirely possible I learned bad habits and am stuck in a big board rut, so are there specific habits or technique elements to look for? Is it something that kicks in at even smaller board sizes and higher (30+) winds? Is it chop related?
NorthernKitesAUS
NorthernKitesAUS
QLD
1084 posts
QLD, 1084 posts
15 Mar 2017 4:05pm
VRBones said..

cbulota said..
Big kites and big boards are always the easy solution for learners but in the long run they slow your progression down and, more importantly they encourage bad habits and poor technique, especially in higher winds.



Could you expand on this a little?

My experience has been that going to a smaller (144 -> 139) board with more rocker made jumps easier to land and more easy to manhandle the board through maneuvers (giving me confidence to go harder), but my bigger board would go faster, requires greater control for turns / jump landings, and has a better feel for upwind performance (I can tell more easily if an extra 5 degrees upwind is sustainable). It's entirely possible I learned bad habits and am stuck in a big board rut, so are there specific habits or technique elements to look for? Is it something that kicks in at even smaller board sizes and higher (30+) winds? Is it chop related?


I think Christian is basically saying, things like going upwind are fine and easier with a big board, but you're not going to learn load-n-pop as easily as it would be with a smaller board.

I have a 136cm board which I've used almost 90% of the time I go out, and it's been great for upwind control and mowing the lawn stuff, but it's very limited when it comes to jumps and tricks. I now use my wife's 131cm board (5cm is a "huge" difference), and I am far more able to do jumps, and quicker turns. It's a far easier board to learn on, beyond mowing the lawn that is. I am 81 pies for reference.
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