@ Puppetonastring re setup

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belldiver
belldiver
QLD
171 posts
QLD, 171 posts
19 Dec 2013 8:57pm
Hey mate,

I remember you posted on another thread (I cant find it now, sorry) about hooking your flagging lines up as you unravel your lines. Then you just clear your steering lines, hook up and your good to go.

I've thought about this many times, though I have a problem with it. I have a bit of a climbing back ground and twists in ropes lines, dont sit well with me.

While I see the speed and ease in your method, the fault i see with it is when you hook up your flagging lines there will be twist, (Assholes) in them. I understand the twists between the 2 lines will spin out on the swivel. But the twists in each individual line will be locked in.

I was thinking of posting a video but I'm sure you will get my drift.

When you have your steering lines connected and then you walk your flagging lines the twists that come out is many. the end of that line will spin 10 plus times. Those twists are put in it when you roll it up, and then just dump it off as you un ravel it.

I think the small amount of time saved is better spent getting those twists out.

This is more a question then a statement, but do you agree??
NSW, 4382 posts
19 Dec 2013 11:43pm
I think you will find that it was me who posted that "connect for front lines first" method.
Twists in individual lines will be minimal and not more than your steering lines, because when you disconnect and wind your lines up any twists will ten to come out.
Individual lines don't twist anyway, once they are connected to the kite, the only time they can twist is when they are disconnected.
Twists might be put in when you wind up if you just wind in one direction around you bar, but not to individual lines, the lines twist around each other not individually, guaranteed. PLUS when you unwind, you undo all the twists. Fig 8 winding on the bar eliminates twists.

Still the safest and fastest way to rig, 25-30 knots tonight rigged cross wind so my kite was ready to just turn over and launch (with a helper), rigged in approx 3 mins flat. Another guy was doing the upwind thing took him at least 10, and he still could have had a tangle.
belldiver
belldiver
QLD
171 posts
QLD, 171 posts
19 Dec 2013 11:33pm
Cheers sorry if it wasnt puppet who posted.

Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
20 Dec 2013 9:54am
I never tried what you've suggested but I did have twists in the lines where the stearing lines would over-lap the control lines. I once self-launched like this and went holy shyte! But what I did was put the bar through one of the middle control lines and it was un-tangled! Just like that!
8Phill8
8Phill8
WA
26 posts
WA, 26 posts
20 Dec 2013 2:29pm
Setting up this way is one of the best tips I've got from on here.........saves huge amounts of time.
NSW, 4382 posts
20 Dec 2013 5:35pm
Loftywinds said..

I never tried what you've suggested but I did have twists in the lines where the stearing lines would over-lap the control lines. I once self-launched like this and went holy shyte! But what I did was put the bar through one of the middle control lines and it was un-tangled! Just like that!


If you use the method I strongly promote to anyone that will listen, you will never mess up your lines when rigging ever again.

Connect your front lines first, just pull out your bridles, make sure they are clear and untangled, connect (helps to know left and right front lines, only so you know which is your flagging line this should be the upper line when you come in to self land when no one is around, so mark them).

Walk downwind behind your kite unwrapping your lines (with practice you will be confident to rig side wind as well), when you have all the lines unwound, pull them slightly tight and put the bar down on the sand/ground with the red side on the right.
Then just pick up your 2 steering lines, red in your right hand and the other colour in your left, walk back to your kite , as you near the kite remember that the centre lines stay between your legs or without crossing the lines in your hands.
Turn around and look back at your bar, the steering lines should be outside of the centre lines, and the steering lines should go straight from the bar end to the connection on your kite, with the colours matching because you are downwind of your kite.
Get a helper to launch and always practice in your mind what you would do if something went wrong on launch, check your safety, rehearse in your mind what you would do, make sure your leash is on and that the red side of your bar is in your left hand. Pull back hard once your helper has lifter your kite into position, move up or downwind to make the canopy tight (downwind if the canopy tips forward as you pull back, upwind if the canopy drops back). If you are in the right position the kite will sit quite stably in your helpers hands, visually check your front lines are clear, don't worry about twists in the centre lines for now, undo them once you are in the water and away from the shore (you can only see that your front lines are clear if you pull back hard). Never allow you helper to be pushed by your kite!!! Give a clear thumbs up for your kite to be released (you should have made this clear to your helper prior to asking for a launch)

Launch towards the water, keep the kite low or on the launch side and quickly move to where you have already placed your board. If the spot is crowded body drag away from the shore with your board in the hand thats closer to the water side, extend your arm holding the board by the front strap/boot or the handle steer the kite with the other arm (if you can't steer with one hand, you need more trainer kite flying). Once you are 50 to 100M offshore put your board on. Its your responsibility to give other kiters plenty of room, so don't crowd the beach area when you can simply drag out to get started.
Warehouse13
Warehouse13
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
20 Dec 2013 11:28pm
Kitepower Australia said..

If you use the method I strongly promote to anyone that will listen, you will never mess up your lines when rigging ever again.

Connect your front lines first, just pull out your bridles, make sure they are clear and untangled, connect (helps to know left and right front lines, only so you know which is your flagging line this should be the upper line when you come in to self land when no one is around, so mark them).

Walk downwind behind your kite unwrapping your lines (with practice you will be confident to rig side wind as well), when you have all the lines unwound, pull them slightly tight and put the bar down on the sand/ground with the red side on the right.
Then just pick up your 2 steering lines, red in your right hand and the other colour in your left, walk back to your kite , as you near the kite remember that the centre lines stay between your legs or without crossing the lines in your hands.
Turn around and look back at your bar, the steering lines should be outside of the centre lines, and the steering lines should go straight from the bar end to the connection on your kite, with the colours matching because you are downwind of your kite.
Get a helper to launch and always practice in your mind what you would do if something went wrong on launch, check your safety, rehearse in your mind what you would do, make sure your leash is on and that the red side of your bar is in your left hand. Pull back hard once your helper has lifter your kite into position, move up or downwind to make the canopy tight (downwind if the canopy tips forward as you pull back, upwind if the canopy drops back). If you are in the right position the kite will sit quite stably in your helpers hands, visually check your front lines are clear, don't worry about twists in the centre lines for now, undo them once you are in the water and away from the shore (you can only see that your front lines are clear if you pull back hard). Never allow you helper to be pushed by your kite!!! Give a clear thumbs up for your kite to be released (you should have made this clear to your helper prior to asking for a launch)

Launch towards the water, keep the kite low or on the launch side and quickly move to where you have already placed your board. If the spot is crowded body drag away from the shore with your board in the hand thats closer to the water side, extend your arm holding the board by the front strap/boot or the handle steer the kite with the other arm (if you can't steer with one hand, you need more trainer kite flying). Once you are 50 to 100M offshore put your board on. Its your responsibility to give other kiters plenty of room, so don't crowd the beach area when you can simply drag out to get started.


Seriously some of the best advice I have gotten on here. I am an extreme newbie, two lessons (through KP as fate would have it) and only just starting to stand up and following this method my kite is rigged and I can clearly see my lines are clear and not tangled, in no more than a couple of minutes I am in the air and heading for the water.
MadMonty
MadMonty
SA
16 posts
SA, 16 posts
21 Dec 2013 12:17am
I got the tip early on to tie my steering lines to the adjacent centre line before packing up.
I've not had a problem unwinding since!
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