Question about lessons and Instructors Quals

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teako
teako
VIC
37 posts
VIC, 37 posts
13 Jan 2010 9:49pm
Hi everyone, this is my first post here and i have a few questions from someone that is seriously considering getting into the sport.

First up, yes i am going to get lessons i have no worries at all with doing it whatsoever, apart from the major safety aspect it will save hours of frustration.

Now with having said that what on earth is the go with paying what amounts to almost $90 per hour in some cases. Now if you say thats cos the gear is included then fair enough. but ive seen some "with your gear "at the same cost. Maybe im missing something here.
If its because of safety, well it doesnt cost that much to professionally learn to drive a car and there is potential to injure and kill more ppl including youreself doing that.

Also are the instructors qualified in the nationaly recognised Training and Assesment Qualification (cert IV TAA) other than the IKO which to my understanding is governed by the sport itself and not Government training guidlines.

I know these questions seem a bit over the top but hey, no harm in asking

cheers
teako
Rattlehead
Rattlehead
QLD
555 posts
QLD, 555 posts
13 Jan 2010 9:00pm
Think about it ,the instructor/shop has to make a living you can't teach kiteboarding 12 hrs a day 7 days a week like a driving school ,it's weather dependant ,If the weathers RS there might be no lessons for a week and quite often lessons have to be cut short and reshedulled due to bad weather? there's also insurance ect .As for it being cheaper for own gear , does'nt make any dif to the instructor they still got to have all the gear ,the only ones who gets benefits out of using own gear is the student as they get a free instruction/demo on how to safely set up and fly their own kite.
teako
teako
VIC
37 posts
VIC, 37 posts
13 Jan 2010 10:17pm
Fair enough, good point
Hardcarve1
Hardcarve1
QLD
550 posts
QLD, 550 posts
13 Jan 2010 9:28pm
I will get shot down in flames for this.
I would get to know an area where you want to kite and get to know the locals and see if one of them will teach you. Look out for the the guy who come across as a good bloke and has the respect of others, not the local hot shot. This will mean you have to buy a kite but if you spend the time to know people you will also pick up on whats good and whats bad.
Sorry to say I just dont think the dollar driven kite lessons given are what I would be after these days.
teako
teako
VIC
37 posts
VIC, 37 posts
13 Jan 2010 10:40pm
Rattle, thinking about it a bit more it's all well and good if they are from a full time business and have to cover costs. However ive come across some with the IKO qual and looks like they do it after work or on weekends.
At the moment looking from the outside in it seems that because it is still classed as an extreme sport for lack of a better description its open slather for pricing.
Beersy
Beersy
TAS
753 posts
TAS, 753 posts
13 Jan 2010 10:57pm
I don't think, compared to the amount you will spend on gear over the years, that the lessons are unreasonably expensive. If cost is that big a concern to you think about the amount you will spend replacing damaged gear while "teaching" yourself, replacing worn lines, fixing torn kites or popped bladders, petrol for travel to and from beach, and the trips you will want to take to kite at the best beaches.
I think you can get roughly 3-5 lessons for 300-350 dollars if you get them in a package, which though it may seem expensive, is not that bad a deal since the guy teaching you, be he shop owner or average Joe after a few extra bucks on the weekend. He'll have the same cost's as you for kiting plus insurance and other things.
Anyways that's my rant over.
(I don't teach)
Rattlehead
Rattlehead
QLD
555 posts
QLD, 555 posts
13 Jan 2010 9:59pm
even so $90 an hour for a couple of hours ,then got to drive there so there's travel expenses (fuel , rego, insurance )workplace insurance(public liability ect ) , advertising , kite gear ...multiple kites ,harnesses , helmets ,inpact vests boards ,radios /ect ,ect this gear has a fairly shot life when being smashed into the ground/water by students and has to be replaced/repaired quite often $$$,
I'm not an instructor, nor have the desire to ever be one ,but have mates who are...

If your too tight to spend a couple of hundred on lessons ,this probly is not the sport for you ,next thing you'll be asking whats wrong with buying $100 ,2001 model 2 line c kite off ebay!!!
Don't be a tight ass and spend some decent money and get some decent lessons ,trust me it can be very dangerous to yourself and others...
SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
13 Jan 2010 8:23pm
teako, no offence but I don't think kiting is for you.

$90ph is a pretty cheap rate, if your finding it hard to come to terms with that then seriously don't bother.

You'll probably have a Cardiac arrest when you realise the cost of a kite, board and harness.
mantis5
mantis5
QLD
159 posts
QLD, 159 posts
13 Jan 2010 10:32pm
Just a comparison,

IKO istructor course is 800USD for a potential kiteboard instructor. (which I'm doing in Boracay, Phillipines on 5th Feb)



If you cant justify money for lessons then why bother. It's like me saying I can't justify $800USD for an instructors course. I'm going to get skills which I will need as you are.

Lessons provide you with the skills you need to progress. After 3-5 lessons you can practice yourself and progress through the sport depending on how much time and ability you have. Yeah these lessons cost, but what doesn't these days.

If your going to pooh your pants at the cost then maybe stick to a safe cheap alternative like world of warcraft or xbox.

JP out.









kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
13 Jan 2010 11:52pm
The best advise i would give a newbie, is get a training kite, either but one or preferably hire one from a kite shop. - Spend as much time as you can on one. Once you are confident after a few weeks of good solid practice, book in for 1 lesson. Get the basics on all safety etc. Then practice for a few more weeks, on the trainer, and a standard size kite for your size in light to moderate winds. - Body drag in the water for half a dozen session, then give the board a go. If you are still not confident, book yourself in for another lesson. I think for most people 2 lessons probably suffice. But like driving a car, some people need a lot more. The price of one or 2 lessons at $90-$100, isn't to bad. But the important thing is constant practice with a trainer kite. Otherwise you will need 4-5 lessons equating to approximately $500. - False economy. Use your own judgement, to progress, and chat with people at your local break.
teako
teako
VIC
37 posts
VIC, 37 posts
14 Jan 2010 7:35am
thanks , ill make sure i dont have a heart attack or poo my pants, great worthwhile advice there.

Also nowhere in my post did i say i would not get lessons because of the cost sooo im not sure where you got that from. Im in no way saying the lessons arent worth it and its actually cheaper than the sport i already do, including the lessons and all the gear. Its a legit question simple as that.

Kyteryder and beersy , both great points and thanks for the sensible suggestions. I have had a trainer for a while now 2.5 IMP so im at the point where im about to sell up my other gear and take the plunge.
Thanks again
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
21 Feb 2010 8:52pm
At $90 per hr you must have a cheap instructor, there are a lot of guys out there charging more than that and i think it is fair enougth as the cost to them is fairly high and allmost not worth them doing it. Most of them would actualy make more cash if they had a full time job. But a lot try to teach as much as they can when the weather permits and really just make enougth to keep going. If they couldnt make enougth money to pay expenses then they wouldnt do it and learners would be lining up in the emergency wards with broken bones.have a lot of Busted gear and brused eagos.

Just get a lesson and pay full price you will get a lot more than you actually pay for.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
24 Feb 2010 9:38am
Can I add that we often include lessons in a kite purchase, and we are not the only ones.

with the amount of people that want to buy a kite and have not had lessons. it is way safer for everyone, and better for our piece of mind if rather than discount gear we value add with lessons.

Going and asking someone on the beach for a lesson is really the same as going and asking a stranger to take responsibility for your safety. Not on.
Mister Dugong
Mister Dugong
368 posts
368 posts
24 Feb 2010 10:26am
kyteryder said...

The best advise i would give a newbie, is get a training kite, either but one or preferably hire one from a kite shop. - Spend as much time as you can on one. Once you are confident after a few weeks of good solid practice, book in for 1 lesson. Get the basics on all safety etc. Then practice for a few more weeks, on the trainer, and a standard size kite for your size in light to moderate winds. - Body drag in the water for half a dozen session, then give the board a go. If you are still not confident, book yourself in for another lesson. I think for most people 2 lessons probably suffice. But like driving a car, some people need a lot more. The price of one or 2 lessons at $90-$100, isn't to bad. But the important thing is constant practice with a trainer kite. Otherwise you will need 4-5 lessons equating to approximately $500. - False economy. Use your own judgement, to progress, and chat with people at your local break.


get the lessons, so much more power in a full size kite,
so much fun on a trainer at the footy oval on a skateboard as a front comes in, it will hurt tho.
gets your bar feel started, get a harness.
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
24 Feb 2010 6:59pm
Dude, Kite instructors make piss all money. $90/hr for 1on1 time with a qualified/accredited instructor of anything is a bargain. Think about it, instructor might get half of that, can only work while the wind blows (say 6 hours/day if he works with no breaks), maybe only gets fully booked 3-4 days a week, has 3 knobs not turn up in a week, and drives 30 mins to get there.

That guy is basically working for less than a weekly minimum wage. And he has to do it all with a smile and infinite patience.

I'd pay $90 with a smile thinking I'm getting a great deal.

As for the economy of it, getting your money paid for lessons back can save a few hundred bucks on your gear, and you are building a relationship with a shop. A shop who's help you will need at some point to fix/advise/open early/stay late/swing you a deal/or float you till payday on your new kite.

My $0.02
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