Self Rescue Poll

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KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
10 Dec 2011 2:13pm
Quick Poll

1. Were you taught self rescue by your kiting instructor? If yes, was it in the water?

2. Were you taught self rescue by someone else?

3. Have you ever had to self rescue? If yes, how did you do it?

4. Do you you know how to self rescue?
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
10 Dec 2011 11:41am
1. no hadn't heard of a kite instructor in 2000
2. hadn't actually seen another kiter
3. Many many times in my first year and eventually worked out to do it the way your now taught except in the early foil days it didn't work too well
4. yes and teach it before they get in the water then at the end of every lesson although without winding the lines up until 3rd lesson
eibwen
eibwen
WA
116 posts
WA, 116 posts
10 Dec 2011 12:01pm
1. Yes, In Theory first + then doing the rescue onland, then doing the the self rescue out on the water.

2. Just the instructor

3. Yes, didn't mean to but the Chicken loop some how released its self so I figured, why not practice my self rescue, was towards the end of a session any ways. Used the safety line to get to the kite, rolled the lines up laid across the leading edge put my board and bar in the canopy and used it like a sail back to shore, took about 30 mins to get back.

4. prob dont know all the right techniques but should be capable of doing it again if i need to.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
10 Dec 2011 1:22pm
1. yes, theory on land and then in the water. I only had one lesson (not through lack of trying to organise more) and I think it would have been done again on subsequent lessons.

2. yes, as above.

3. yes, several accidental releases and gear failures. All my kites flag to the front lines, so wind the front lines in a good amount then wind in the steering lines, hang onto the kite and board and sail in, or pack the gear up as above and take any assistance offered by other kiters for a tow in.

Reset gear, go out again and figure out what you stuffed up.

4. yes, well I think I do, I haven't done one since last season.
Captash
Captash
NSW
29 posts
NSW, 29 posts
11 Dec 2011 10:25am
1. No
2. No
3. YES! Inverted my 5-line kite half a mile out to sea:-(. Really had no idea what to do. Swam to the kite, then swam the kite back to shore - worst possible method and was totally exhausted by the time I got to shore and had lines tangled all around me.

After this experience, I started searching online for methods of self-rescue. I also did a practice self-rescue and tried different methods.
GreenGriff
GreenGriff
SA
137 posts
SA, 137 posts
11 Dec 2011 1:16pm
no

Youtube FTW

no

hope not to have to find out but no doupt will. so practiced on the beach
Trant
Trant
NSW
601 posts
NSW, 601 posts
11 Dec 2011 7:45pm
1. No
2. Not sure where I picked it up, probably kiteforum.com or a mate mentioned it
3. Many times, always the same method. Wrap up the lines, use the kite to 'sail' back to the beach.
4. I'm still alive so I would say 'yes' ;)

deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
451 posts
NSW, 451 posts
12 Dec 2011 10:25am
1. Nope.

2. I was taught self rescue by Progression Beginner DVD

3. Yes, twice. Once my bladder popped and I was in a load of trouble. Other kiters came to my rescue. Second time I had ripped my canopy and reeled my lines in and used the kite as a sail, quite easy.

4. Yeah.. It's pretty damn easy if you think about it (and if you dont pop a bladder).
pomE
pomE
NSW
164 posts
NSW, 164 posts
12 Dec 2011 11:49am
KIT33R said...

Quick Poll

1. Were you taught self rescue by your kiting instructor? If yes, was it in the water?

No

2. Were you taught self rescue by someone else?

No

3. Have you ever had to self rescue? If yes, how did you do it?

Yes.
Swim to kite, pull in lines and swim to shore whilst lying on LE.

4. Do you you know how to self rescue?

Above method was ok, but lines were in danger of fouling on my legs. Know in future to swim further upwind/ current around the drifting lines. Have picked up other information from web/ youtube etc on the line-wrap method too (never tried though)


koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
12 Dec 2011 3:11pm
1. Yes, but only theory.

2. No.

3. Yes. Five times in five years.
Drop kite to fifth line. Reel in a couple of metres to ensure it's properly flagged out then wind in the lines. Make kite into a taco and sail back in (if there's wind), otherwise start paddling using the kite for floatation.
Last time i had to do it was at St Kilda when my depower line snapped. Almost all of the teaching instructors made their students watch as i hauled myself in.

4. Yes.

oceanfire
oceanfire
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
12 Dec 2011 5:04pm
1. Yes; Shown how to hold the kite to sail back to shore, first on the beach, then practiced in the water. Method involved punching out the safety release, then pushing the bar up the centre line, then making my way to the kite without wrapping up all the lines, holding the kite to sail back in. I don't think I had the board to worry about when I did the self rescue in the lessons.
Another time I was made to trigger the safety release and reassemble it in the water, then relaunch the kite.

2. No, only taught through lessons.

3. Yes; using the method described above, but also by wrapping the lines around the bar completely as I don't like having the lines around in the water with the potential to tangle on me.
I also clip my safety leash onto my board (thanks to reading about it on Seabreeze) and sail back in with it trailing behind me.

4. Sure do, I've had a bit of practice.

Having the knowledge of how to self rescue is a major factor in learning & should never be brushed over or left out of a student's lessons.
I'm lucky I did my lessons with a really good school.
It is a major booster of confidence.

Unless you are a bit of a prodigy, you're generally not going to get up and going after a few lessons (I had three), not to a consistent level anyway.
So unless you've got a bit of cash to spend on lessons, the most learning you'll be undertaking is self taught by practice, reading on Seabreeze, watching videos etc.
So knowing how to self rescue is a massive help because it gives you the confidence to get out there and practice as you will know how to get back to shore if you can't relaunch for whatever reason or lose your board.
I'd also recommend a buoyancy vest to begin with too, it's a good bit piece of mind.
I wore them in my lessons and then the first time I went out solo, getting pulled underwater by a crashed kite was a bit of a shock, so I punched out the safety and self rescued (thank you lessons!), so now I wear the vest all the time and will do so until I get a fair bit better.
Oh, I also bought a line knife, just in case. Also thanks to reading about them on here.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
12 Dec 2011 5:39pm
1) No, self taught in 2003

2) Yes, Darren Marshall in 2006, IKO level1. But properly. Flag the centre or 5th 1 1/2 the width of your kite, by using the bar as a lever, then get the floating lines that can wrap around you and secure them on the bar as well, get to the kite with all lines under tension so theres no floaty things to wrap around fingers, harness hooks, or limbs. get 2m away and unhook your "death" leash and wrap it around your bar after you have done a few half hitches to secure all lines. When overpowered you cant do half hitches so this method is the second best thing. Deflate your leading edge out of the water and keep the struts inflated. Wrap your kite up starting from the windward egde. Wind the 2m left of your lines around your kite. And you can put your twin tip on the kite and the lines will secure it, if you want. A neat little bundle with flotation. Other methods are when everythings secure you can also take your harness off and wrap that around your inflated mess to secure it. It depends on the situation, in reefbreaks with pounding swell, this is the best method imo.

3) As above, Hells gates slightly offshore, woodies offshore, and once at melville.

4) Yes, And to instructors if you dont teach it competently your not a kite instructor, youre teaching someone how to fly a kite. This is comptetncy based training, If a student doesnt get it the first time repeat again at the next lesson 10mins from the end. Explain the safety issues that you observed the first time and go over it again.

The most important thing for a student to know is the winding up bit. Get them in the water and demonstrate, the first part. Everyone is different and some people learn better visually, some people learn by a description. Psychology plays an important part when teaching anything not just self rescue, The parameter between being bored and intimidated. People with flight or fight syndrome wont listen however loud you shout and in wind when your down-wind of them your voice doesnt carry that far.

Another poll, sorry to hijack your thread,
5)how many people were taught kitesurfing hand-signals by their instructor . Land, help, Im turning get off my arse, ready for launch, both as a launcher and a kiter????
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
12 Dec 2011 8:52pm
1. Were you taught self rescue by your kiting instructor? If yes, was it in the water?
No. No mention of it in 4 lessons (2006).

2. Were you taught self rescue by someone else?
Yes, by Bretto at Port Douglas. Described theory, but I didn't practice it.

3. Have you ever had to self rescue? If yes, how did you do it?
The first few times I couldn't relaunch I drifted in to the beach, swam then staggered to secure my kite. Once I got the lines wrapped many many times around one ankle. It would have been terrible if the kite powered up.

Then, after the theory, I have self rescued a couple of times. Drifting in towards a very narrow beach with reef close to shore. Pulled in one leading edge line and wound it around the bar, then wound both until I got the kite then "sailed it in". With IDS, its best to wind up the centre line for some turns so you don't get power on either rear line, but then you need to wind the rear lines too, to avoid getting tangled in them while you kick/swim in.

Then you arrive onshore already holding the leading edge and lines wound up.

4. Do you you know how to self rescue?

Yes. But haven't done so for a couple of years. Last rescue was by a friendly boat in an offshore wind. Broke a pulley and had no control of the kite. It would have been a tough swim back in.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
12 Dec 2011 6:03pm
^^^^^ do you know or how to use all hand signals? KIT33R, great thread

You can sail the kite in in flat onshore conditions, what about offshore conditions or heavy surf, you need to know 3-4 different ways to be truely self competent.
DANEgerous
DANEgerous
VIC
253 posts
VIC, 253 posts
13 Dec 2011 1:21pm
KIT33R said...

Quick Poll
1. Were you taught self rescue by your kiting instructor? If yes, was it in the water?
2. Were you taught self rescue by someone else?
3. Have you ever had to self rescue? If yes, how did you do it?
4. Do you you know how to self rescue?


1. No (when I got lessons in about 2006).
2. I learnt the theory behind it online not long after my lessons.
3. No. I've been luck that the few times I've had equipment failures I've been pretty close to shore and in on-shore conditions.
4. Yes, and re-learnt/practiced whilst doing my IKO instructor course.
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